Sociopaths / Psychopaths

It's completely absurd, another indication of the extent of the corruption and control of the system by the organized sociopaths. The Saudis were patsies. I suspect they were CIA operatives running a routine operation and had no idea they were about to be sacrificed.* The real guilty parties are the ones who are always setting up the Arabs (or the non-Jews) to take the blame.


* The same kind of thing happened to the three Arab students blamed for the 7/7 London Tube bombings. They were working for the police, running a routine drill, and had no idea in the beginning that they were going to be sacrificed. But because they missed their connecting trains, which all blew up, they figured it out and tried to disappear. They were quickly hunted down by SWAT teams and shot dead without any opportunity to surrender.

 

Yes, there could. Another thing I hammer on (besides sociopathy) is the philosophy I have developed -- "Question everything, dismiss nothing". We should all question our own psychologies, our own brainwashing, and our own beliefs. I have inventoried my own life many times looking for signs of deceiving others, manipulating others, pursuing power, acting selfishly, or acting with bad intent. I have also looked for signs of showing empathy, compassion, kindness, taking responsibility, and feeling shame. As my life progresses, there is no question that I am moving more and more away from sociopathy and towards the saintly end of the bell curve. And yet, I still have to question it all from time to time, and not dismiss the possibility that I am not moving in the direction I think I am.

That's a good sign. Sociopaths are just the opposite -- disingenuous, secretive, and closed.

I don't belief this is the case, but I certainly don't dismiss it. Occam's Razor would discount it as unnecessary, but Occam's Razor is an expression of the human tendency to oversimplify. Reality can be complex beyond belief, and our silly "rules" pale in comparison.

It's a moot question, because there is no isolating sociopaths from non-sociopaths. The variation in psychological make-up is a continuum. There is no distinct line between the two.

That's what my philosophy is all about. So we are talking about the same thing.

Sometimes I also look at my own writing, but I don't see two me's. I see one us. When I wrote that, I didn't write it. WE wrote it. All the ones that have already lived, all the ones living today, and all the ones that have yet to live. I was simply the instrument.

 

This quote made me think… if someone is accused of being a sociopath and this accusation is not by another sociopath and is not thrown out there willy-nilly, could there be something to it? And then I thought even further. What if no one has overtly accused “you” yet there may be some validation to that charge if it were applied?

Now, of course, I wasn’t thinking about this in relation to Chico as I don’t even know Chico yet from the posts I have read, I get no feeling of psychopath.

I was wondering about this in relation to myself.

and then later in this thread was this gem found inside another post from Chico

This is exactly how I feel. In fact, I feel this so strongly, I have taken foolish risks in part to get close to many folks who eventually revealed they are likely sociopaths/psychopaths. I have gone very, very deep down the rabbit hole specifically in my unintentional and then eventually intentional investigation of sociopathy. All the while knowing that I might be revealing, at least in part, myself to myself. But also… so that when a particular sociopath goes to far, I can expose them. All the while risking my own exposure too.

I just read over my words and I felt the writer of these words must be nuts. But I know the writer quite well. There are two “me”s. One is the sellout that can behave sociopathically. The other, the one that always seems (eventually) to rise to the surface, is the me that is filled with empathy and understanding.

I am writing as openly as I can. I am doing in inPHInet exactly what I did at PA. Why I am doing this at this time is related to where most recently my investigations have led me. And this gets into concepts such as, “who am I, what am I.”

I ask the question to myself in a way that metaphors can point me to answers. The metaphorical answer I the greatest affinity to is the metaphor of “the coach” described best here in this blog post.

https://soulmindspirit.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/war-for-the-souls/

What I also found interesting is the implications made by the writer of this blog. That there is an unseen 3rd party involved in the manipulation of those who may possess a soul or at least those who have maintained a soul connection. Again, I emphasize the use of the word “soul” to be a metaphor. And that metaphor of soul (to me) means my sense of empathy, understanding, compassion, love and care for others.

And if there really be some truth there's an unseen 3rd party, would isolating sociopaths from non sociopaths resolve things? Perhaps not if this unseen third party is able to succeed in divorcing the ensouled from their soul connection and turn them into sociopaths. The point I am making here is meant to emphasize the importance in being vigilant. Especially for those who (perhaps like me) have a sociopathic tendancy despite having a predominance of empathy, compassion, etc.

The above is all and only speculations – both aimed at myself and also focused on the humans that make up the society found on Earth at this time.

I must finally end the post by emphasizing the second quote of Chico’s found at the beginning of this post. THAT is what wins out for me. That is what I always end up at when I find that I have failed by allowing some of my own sociopathic tendencies to cause behaviors I then regret.

 

Not only must we have a thorough understanding of the psychology behind the sociopathic mind. We also need a good understanding of the psychology behind the normal human mind -- our minds. Empathy has both advantages and disadvantages, depending on the circumstances. It is the interaction between the sociopathic mind and the normal mind that is so damaging. It is this dance that must be stopped, and both participants, sociopath and non-sociopath, contribute to the dance. Even though most of the dance is choreographed and led by the sociopaths, the other partner, the non-sociopath, is somehow induced into the game. How does this happen? How are normal people fooled into partnering with parasites?

A revealing illustration of this is the 9/11 video below. Watch the whole thing, because it is quite good, but pay particular attention to the last section that examines the psychological reactions of normal people to the horror of the truth. "Even if it's the truth, I wouldn't believe it," says a non-sociopath. What is responsible for this absurd denial? Clearly there's a problem with "normality" too. Normal people can be too gullible, too trusting, too forgiving, too passive, too unreasonable, too shallow, and too selfish. Sociopaths have learned to take advantage of our weaknesses. We have to learn not to let them.



PBS Documentary 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out Final Edition, 60min

 

All feedback is welcome. That's how we learn.

 

A brief comment. I made it through post #42 so far. Chico's argument is compelling. I have found several points made (most by Chico, but some by others) that I realize I must start again at the beginning and note these points for a post I hope to make.

Thank you for this thread, Sam.

Or should I say, Sam, the fool. uuughhh the mirror.

 

Yesterday, I happened to read the first three pages of the Avalon thread I mentioned above, "Are sociopaths human?", which I haven't looked at for many years. I was struck by the quality of the conversations that occurred there. That kind of quality is noticeably absent from Avalon in recent years, in my opinion. I have occasionally participated in Avalon during the last four years, under different names since Chicodoodoo is banned for life from Avalon, and every time I have tried to initiate thought-provoking discussions of similar quality, I have ended up being censored and eventually banned. Not for being unruly, not for being disrespectful, not for breaking the rules, but for asking questions and entertaining alternate perspectives. That's all it took to be excised. I wasn't talking about sociopathy either, but was on-subject with respect to each thread's flow. The pattern that forms and the conclusion I reach from those experiences is that conformity and like-mindedness are carefully enforced at Avalon. In other words, Avalon is a cult.

I think after my third banning from Avalon I realized it was no use, that Avalon could not be "awakened". I watched as many other "movers and shakers", or original thinkers, also met similar fates with startling regularity. Bill Ryan does not welcome original thoughts. He wants obedience and adulation. And this attitude of his is consistent with my assessment of him being a sociopath. In fact, all incoming data about the behavior of Bill Ryan continues to confirm his sociopathy.

Regretfully, this has been the case for UncleZook as well. I never wanted to believe Zook was a sociopath, but the data simply could not be denied. And that data spans years of his behavior at Nexus, United People, and Universal Spectrum. Much of the data is extensively documented in the posts at United People. So while Zook will complain that the data is just "opinions, repetition, and circular arguments", that's just Zook doing what sociopaths do, i.e. twisting the facts to fit his selfish desires.

 

I can vouch for this observation. That's why the second step of dealing with sociopaths is managing them. Once they are identified, they must be disqualified from positions of power and control over others. That's all it takes. You don't have to kill them, you don't have to punish them, you don't have to incarcerate them, you don't have to medicate them, you don't have to do much at all except disqualify them from positions of power and control over other human beings. No big deal. You could disqualify me from those kinds of positions and it wouldn't change my life in the slightest. The same could be said for most non-sociopaths. But with sociopaths removed from power, the human world would be completely transformed. Wars would no longer be orchestrated, history would no longer be twisted, money would no longer make all the decisions, fear and scarcity would no longer be imposed, government would no longer be a predatory for-profit business, markets would no longer be rigged, freedom and natural rights would no longer be eroded, secrecy would no longer be necessary, deception and manipulation would no longer reign, and there would be liberty and justice for the vast majority.

 

There is of course great variety in the spectrum of those who lack empathy and could qualify as sociopaths. In fact, I found it quite interesting that one observer suggested that "successful" sociopaths could include anywhere from 30% to 50% of the human population! I had always thought that the number was more like 1% to 4%, but it does make sense that the successful sociopaths will largely go unnoticed, while the criminal sociopaths get the spotlight, because they are the ones that get caught!

And Zook, you got caught, over and over again, not with big crimes, but with little tiny ones, ones that could be ignored or rationalized or explained away by anyone unfamiliar with the preponderance of characteristics that sociopaths typically exhibit. But in your case, you allowed me years of observation, and the patterns of your behavior became unmistakable. Even your post now continues that pattern of behavior, denying your sociopathy, denigrating your "opponent", and attempting to manipulate the readers of these posts into your corner with such absurd threats as:

Oh my! If we can't "discern" as well as Zook can, we are just Tupperware aficionados!

I love ya, Zook. Thanks for posting.

 

Failing to recognize sociopaths makes us extremely vulnerable to their deception and manipulation. That's why the first step in dealing with sociopaths is to learn to identify them.

And yes, sociopaths are a "different kind of animal". That reminds me of one of the threads I started at Avalon entitled "Are sociopaths human?" We are taught that "all men are created equal", but clearly, they are not. Some have empathy, and others do not. It turns out that it matters a great deal that we are not all the same. Sociopaths very badly want us (the non-sociopaths) to believe that we are the same, that they are just like us. If we believe that, we are much more easily deceived and manipulated by the sociopaths. And those manipulations are always for their benefit at our expense. In other words, they are bad manipulations.

 

He cannot establish his hypothesis that Zook is a sociopath ... beyond what can be anchored by opinions, repetition, circular arguments, etc. After all, establishment requires facts. And Chico's unending tally of appeals for facts - wrapped in headBowed prayers inside the Church Of Opinions, Orations And Onomatopoeia - have yet to be answered amidst the intermittent jingle of pindrops. So he must content himself with casting aspersions borrowed from the nearby sister Church Of Innuendo.

Religious fervor extended to any topic ultimately leads to religious hallucinations about the topic. The topic of sociopathy is no different.

If any of the remaining members here cannot discern the blatant innuendo and hallucinative smear contained in Chico's post, e.g. where he lumps everybody and their pet rock in the same category as someone like Stephen - or someone like Bill Ryan - two mental misfits proven by their exhibited sociopathic behavior ... then I submit that this here forum is a long way from attaining any community greater than a tupperware club. IMO, of course.


Pax

 

Between 20% and 50% are "successful" sociopaths!! Now that puts an interesting spin on things!

Hey Zook! Don't feel bad. You've got lots of company!

Now I'm beginning to understand why I keep running into people like Bill Ryan, Richard, Paul, Ross / Pod, Atticus / Stephen, Warponies / 9eagle9, Gypsy Woman, UncleZook, Andywight, Shezbeth, Shadowself, and so many others like them!

 

That is certainly possible. Trump is clearly the lesser of two evils, but I've fallen for that logical fallacy too many times to participate in this electoral farce. I still plan on voting for Lavoy Finicum, because I believe a dead patriot will make a better president than a live sociopath. I also believe our voting no longer has any meaning when the elections are so cleverly controlled. Even if the vast majority voted for Lavoy Finicum, when the results are prematurely announced by the mainstream media, his name would not be the one spoken.

 

At the link above, there's a spreadsheet designed to help you identify the degree of sociopathy present in the presidential candidates!

I laugh, because the sociopathy present in the 2016 presidential candidates is so in-your-face that you don't need a scorecard. I have held up the Clintons as prime examples of "classic" sociopaths for years. I also spotlighted Donald Trump as a "classic" sociopath years ago when he revelled in sociopathic behavior while starring in his TV series "The Apprentice".

The political game is rigged by ruling sociopaths, and only sociopaths are allowed to be serious contenders for the Commander-In-Chief position, which is a puppet position anyway subservient to the true controllers (the most skilled and dangerous sociopaths) who run things from the shadows. The worse part is that it has always been this way, at least since any of us were born.

That shows you the incredible extent of the normality bias that cripples the majority of humanity. That normality bias allows sociopaths, who have no normality bias (they believe themselves superior, i.e. "God's chosen people"), to manipulate humanity with unbelievable ease.

It's happening now, right in front of our eyes, with the 2016 election circus. It's an absurd joke, and we can't wait to be part of it!

We have to get it through our thick skulls that abnormal, dangerous people who look and act very much like us are steering us into servitude, slavery, and an early grave, all for their selfish benefit and at our enormous expense. That's what sociopaths do, and that's why we need to wake up to their presence among us.

 

You are thinking like a person with empathy, which is normal but not appropriate in this case, because we are dealing with a sociopath who does not behave like a normal person. It's not a question of Brook being excessive. It's a question of intent. She was using her alleged grief to manipulate others in order to gain power and control over them. That was the intent. From what you describe, she had great success with this "game" at Atticus1 and Agora.

That's exactly right, but sociopaths don't see it that way. They see a useful tool that they can use to manipulate others by taking advantage of the empathy normal people feel, which sociopaths do not feel. Sociopaths play on our empathy, and it almost always works wonderfully to their advantage.

I bet Brook was very surprised that I called her on her "dead son" game. I'm sure she also felt she had a "gotcha" moment, feeling that this was the opportunity to bury Chico. That's why she wrote that scathing post, so sure was she that everyone would fall in line behind her fake outrage. It was sociopathic behavior at its "best", and confirmed to me once again what kind of person I was dealing with.

Not exactly. It was a way to probe the new people and get an idea of how easy it will be to manipulate them. All sociopaths do this. Their initial contact is used to gauge the potential victim.

That was not paranoia. That was a deliberate manipulation designed to achieve greater power and control over the membership! That is the focus of a sociopath's life. Those who comply are easily controlled. Those who do not are weeded from the bunch. Rinse and repeat for total control.

 

Shadowself is a good example of this. She marches out the death of friends and family to gain early sympathy from her audience, and if you don't buy it, the claws and teeth are quick to react with unsettling viciousness.

I watched Shezbeth, UncleZook, and Shadowself all work variations of this theme on the forum administrator here. Although I was not here to see it, I am sure Stephen and Rhiannon did the same thing.

When I joined Atticus1, Stephen was quick to ask for a private consultation with me. I already knew he favored one-on-one back-channel interaction, and I sensed the danger of what he was after. I refused the offer and stated I would only converse with him publicly on the forum, and that's exactly what I did. That mostly ended his efforts to establish a psychopathic bond with me.

The story Rose told earlier in this thread of Stephen and Rhiannon stealing her forum mirror this point about psychopaths being unhealthy parasites. They will feed on you until you throw them off.

 

Most people are like Roy (below) when it comes to dealing with sociopaths.

 

What do you get with empathy? What does it add to the equation of life? Why is it good, and why is not having empathy (as with sociopaths) bad?

Empathy is life-nourishing.




Penguin Always Returns From the Sea to Visit Man Who Saved Its Life

 

People who have psychopaths / sociopaths in the family or have some other long-term relationship with one will be much more aware of them than people who do not. I can see the person I have quoted here knows what she is talking about.

Nearly all countries have the problem of psychopaths in government. Israel, the United States, England, and France lead the pack. I suggest that while psychopaths may make up 4% of the general population, the may make up 90% or more of the population of government leaders.

The situation is similar for leaders in the forum world.

This one is for Zook, Shezbeth, Stephan/Atticus/Houdini, Bill Ryan, and all the other sociopaths that infect the forum world. When I call you a sociopath, I am not attacking you, insulting you, or denigrating you. I am describing your behavior and your psychology. I'm well aware that sociopaths are people too. There is a place for them within human society, but government, or any other position of power and control over others, is not it.

 

You might be surprised where the tell-tale signs of sociopathy show up. But then again, if you really understand sociopathy, it will not be a surprise at all. You will expect it.

This interview of William Pawelec by Dr. Steven Greer looks into the security aspects of the shadow government. Guess what we find there? The tell-tale signs of sociopathy.



Dr. Steven Greer Interviews William Pawelec


Pawelec is talking about sociopaths without realizing it when he says, at 45:05, "The attitudes seem to be one of control. Power and control." And again, at 51:38, "If we don't find ways to neutralize these negative forces, we're going to find our lifestyles, our concepts of life as a species, nullified."

That's what I've been saying for a long time now. If we don't start identifying and managing sociopaths, especially at the highest levels, they will destroy us, and probably themselves as well.

 

Given the disproportionate influence of the "morally insane" (sociopaths) on the world, is it any wonder?

In researching the modern religions like Mormonism and Scientology, it is clear that they were created by sociopaths. Isn't it likely that this pattern is just a continuation of sociopaths' domination of humanity for millennia, and that older religions like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam were also created by sociopaths?

Well, yes, that would also explain most of the insanity.

 

Very much so. That program aired 27 years ago. Because sociopaths are still firmly in control of society, that kind of abuse is still going on today! As much as I ache for that teenage girl, I know these evil practices have been continuing for all that time, and many more human beings have suffered silently at the hands of these uncaring sociopaths. Sociopaths are a malignant cancer responsible for the sickness crippling our society. Humanity will never be healthy until we screen for these types of psychological illnesses and manage the carriers.

 

• Secrecy
• Deception
• Risky behavior
• Manipulation of others
• Lack of empathy for others
• Selfishness, superiority complex
• Pursuit of power and control over others

These are all characteristics that are prominent in sociopaths. They are present in "Prophet's Prey", where men pretend to be prophets of God. They are also present in the video below, where men pretend to be prophets of Satan. Look for these characteristics among the people who used and abused the poor, unfortunate soul that speaks in the video below.



60 MINUTES - Satan's Children


The sociopathic condition can easily lead human beings to the dark side. This is yet another example of how unimaginable evil springs from sociopathy. What this young girl experienced is beyond horrific, and what the sociopaths did to her is beyond revolting.

 

"Prophet's Prey" is the real-life story of Warren Jeffs, head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints. Warren Jeffs is a sociopath. He is a con-artist extraordinaire, an unrelenting sexual predator of women and children, an arrogant know-it-all, and a convincing liar. Like all sociopaths, he is a master of deception and manipulation, which he employs in his selfish pursuit of power and control over others. He leads a cult of 10,000 loyal followers who are so mind-controlled that they believe whatever Jeffs says is the word of God. And he currently leads that cult from a prison cell.

I found the copy of "Prophet's Prey" that I watched here.