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I agree it is a factor. A bigger factor is their paycheck. If you don't perform for the department heads, you tend to get fired. The money ultimately controls the behavior of the employees.

 

It is still cognitive dissonance to protest when you understand that your protest will not only accomplish nothing, but has actually been prepared for you.

 

I see the situation as more fluid regarding Trump. He is not old money. Does this mean he is clean? Not necessarily but it is relevant. As Dick Gregory says "Trump has no money." and what he means is that Trump is not part of the power elite (Cecil Demille's term).

My claim for entree into the power structure is based on the idea that there are multiple structures at play. I don't know of any loop that feeds back to the top indiscriminantly...I have no proof of that. Could be. What I have found is different groups competing.

Chick I will use an old story to illustrate this next point. I was a philosophy major undergrad and like a lot of kids, I wanted to challenge everything, every thinker...not a bad impulse, its how we learn actually... Well I had this teacher Dr. Pasqual, who was trying to establish with me some epistemological structure. In my infinite wisdom I pushed it to the point where there was no epistemological structure (very common & silly thing that beginning philosophy students so lol). So Doc says to me "well if you don't want any structure, if we can't have 2+2=4 because of doubt, why argue anything?"

Here is his point and my point regarding the limits of control by a nefarious force: If everything is just hopeless then the necessity to act, is null. Its almost impossible to verify, in the same way as it is impossible to prove a negative, that there is an evil controlling force that controls everything with no weakness, no good people in the midst. One would have to virtually find every individual corrupt with no exceptions. Is this possible? yes. Is it probable? Interesting question really. How much does any probability really take hold when we as a species have been around a mere second, when life on this planet has been around, still a flash in the pan? The truth is that nothing regarding the future is so probable that we can simply categorize it as without exception.

There is cause for research and understanding about the extent of influence in the so called matrix. There might even be some who are not corrupted. You come to the conclusion that the state department is part of the charade, I don't assume as much. I do think the state department might have other aims and hte Clinton...and I wouldn't assume their aims are benevolent exclusively because they hate Clinton... But there might be information that tells us what different aims might be in this power structure.

Regarding controlled opposition: controlled opposition is a little like someone who tells someone else that if they go in a room the ants will crawl up her leg and itch it...so the person shrugs it off and then starts to wonder as they get a little feeling on the skin, maybe a hint of a bite...Hummmm? Is it the ants?

Controlled opposition is a tool, it is used, including by the media and others, and its even noticeable! Which is great because it means we can start to recognize when it is in play and not simply assume...you know like when the person's leg just gets a little strange? Like can she see any ant hills? are there any ants on her leg? Yes, Controlled opposition is hard to root out, and it scares the shit out of me...Is Alex Jones controlled opposition!? (probably). But alas, every last person acting in conflict is not controlled opposition.

I would suggest that one look carefully and make the effort to try to recognize controlled opposition when it is present and not simply assume it exists in all situations. Another example: We KNOW that Obama and Hillary HATE each other. Its documented! And... sociopaths (psychopaths in Hillary's case perhaps) hold a grudge, we KNOW Hillary hates Obama for beating her for the spot if nothing else. YET there he is biting his lip endorsing her (he was so obviously unhappy doing this!). Again, we can see this, just like we can see Alex Jones kicking hate up at all times, and see how often he is off on a prediction that never-the less continues to divide individuals. Trump, given his background (family was not part of elites), his actual wealth (not that much), and his relationship to Washington (not different from most business people), demonstrate to me that his loyalty is an open issue.

As I said to Rose I am undecided as to whether he is a plant, or not...I do however know that he is a protest candidate in that a vote for Trump is a way of saying, " I want people to know I do not respect the system as it operates now in Washington." The point here Chick is that whether Trump is a plant, an enabler for the Elites, or another form of controlled opposition, a vote for him still expresses the same protest by the average American. So this should tell you why this is not so dissident as it may appear cognitively.

 

I'm sorry to burst your balloon, but that is the illusion we are supposed to fall for. There are no candidates outside the power structure.

That's exactly right. So how can you claim Trump is outside the power structure? This kind of cognitive dissonance is fascinating to observe.

There is a hierarchy (sociopaths thrive on hierarchy). There is some one or some group at the top, and influence / direction networks down from there. But there are also many feedback loops that return to the top, so everything has a dynamic quality to it. So it's not a question of is it A or B. It's far more complex than that.

The key word is "appear". Appearances can be deceiving. Controlled opposition is a standard ploy used by the master deceivers. You do realize the Executive department heads are all carefully selected by the puppet masters that control the U.S. president, right? So if the department heads are their obedient minions, do you really believe they let their departments get out of control?

The control is not absolute, because the unexpected does happen, even to the top level controllers, despite the fact that they try to anticipate the unexpected. We do get windows of opportunity. The ruling sociopaths do make mistakes, because they are still mostly human.

Not exactly. They had a vote, that's all. They haven't left the European Union. The ruling sociopaths (I won't call them elites because sociopaths always believe they are superior) have contingency plans for such a setback. It's like a chess game between the ruling sociopaths and the public. The sociopaths know the game, the rules, the strategies, the tactics, the openings, the tricks, and their opponents. The sociopaths almost always look several moves ahead, as a precaution. The bulk of the public, on the other hand, hardly even knows there is a game going on, much less how to play it. It's almost no contest, and it's that way by design.

There are lots of ways to protest, most of them futile. Voting for Trump is not a real protest, because he's bought and paid for just like Hillary. Most protests are a bark with no bite. That too is by design.

 

The government is controlled... and it is so in our face that the media and crisis actors regularly stage events that defy common sense. There are two questions I have about the mechanism of control:

1) Is there ONE big central controller, or, are there different groups with controlling interests? My research indicates among other things that in the military for example, one can see groups like Kay Briggs husband's hit squad (colonel Briggs). She is credible imo and lays out a frame work where Brigg's group, basically a neocon, Ann Raynd, Existential/Zionist hit squad, has tremendous power to control drugs and power in the military. YET at the same time we have other groups like Aquino, the professed Satanist who is implicated by many credible (and many not so credible lol) witnesses as part of a hit squad, drug running, pedo ring. There may well be more of these drug, pedo, power groups trying to control things. I cannot presently find a connection between Aquino and Briggs which makes me wonder. I could not be looking hard enough, but perhaps things are more heterogenius in this power stuggle.

If this is the case then conspiracies and other developments have lines of engagement and perhaps fault lines to be explored. A great example of this would be the State department. They appear not to be in on the conspiracy in so far as they took Killery Clinton to task on her transgressions. I think we can safely say that Obama, the Justice Department, the Democratic National Committee are all in a conspiracy to get Hillary elected. Are there groups that will oppose this?

The other question I have and am researching is, given the level of control...whether we want to assume we have not had control since the federal reserve act, or since Kennedy... is control absolute? or do we get windows of opportunity? I should say in the spirit of disclosure that I am an anarchist and have never voted because I do not believe our votes count...But I have an open mind. Did the British catch the elites with their pants down when they left the union? Is there a way to protest Hillary despite the media, political and social conspiracy?

 

When people are quick to denigrate Trump they also tend to forget something very important. he is a protest candidate. He is someone outside the power structure. This should always be an important consideration along the lines of the Brix ordeal...namely, after the bankers forced the Euro down the throats of Europe, and destroyed how many economies? and after the European Union acted like benign dictators...And after getting sick of Cameron, people found the gumption to protest by leaving. This is imo analogous to the "Trump" situation... He is preferable to things projected as usual.

 

The assumption here is that the political process is legitimate, when it is not. All the candidates are "plants". The whole thing is rigged and is nothing but theater.

Again, the assumption here is that the government is legitimate, when it is not. The whole thing is rigged and is nothing but theater.

It was like this even in 1933. That was when a group of patriotic ex-veterans in the American Legion planned a coup d'état against the United States government to return it to its Constitutional principles. This was the same year the puppet president Franklin D. Roosevelt illegally ordered Americans to turn in their gold to the Federal Reserve. It was clear the government was out of control and needed to be brought back in line. America's greatest war hero, retired Major General Smedley Butler, was asked to lead the coup, but instead chose to spill the beans to Congress. But guess what? The hearings resulted in no arrests, no charges of treason, and no publicity. The NY Times even claimed the whole thing was a hoax in order to sweep it under the rug. Why? Because the "traitors" leading the coup were correct in their assessment that the government had gone rogue. It was the federal government that was the true traitor. To keep the public from realizing who the real bad guys were, the whole thing had to be quietly buried, by the people actually controlling the federal government.

In other words, the real story of this coup d'état should have brought down the entire government, if we had had a legitimate free press, a legitimate Congress, a legitimate judicial system, etc. But we did not, not even in 1933. It was all rigged and nothing but theater.

Try finding the real story of the so-called Business Plot. You will only find the story "they" want you to believe. I have found very little that can even confirm my version of the story. But the official version is too full of holes and inconsistencies to be the truth.

If our government is not legitimate, then neither are the presidential elections. And by now, many people are starting to realize that the presidential elections are a farce. It is so in-your-face, with a repeat-criminal sociopath (Hillary) about to be placed in the presidential puppet seat ("the first woman president in the history of the U.S."), that any thinking person has to see it.

The problem is, thinking people are getting harder and harder to find.

 

1) Is Donald Trump a plant? There was a very cogent source on Reddit http://archive.is/RffAd (he also has another archived thread which looks like it might be down), and this source suggests that Trump is not a plant. I take that into consideration because from his actions it looks as though Trump is a plant. Of course he does have history with the Clintons.
2) Comey has yet to mention the second indictment regarding the foundation. RICO provisions were designed to go after big fish, but one weakness is when the fish is too big. I am inclined, as things look presently, to think there may indeed be a danger of implicating the entire government when bringing her down...which may well be why this second indictment is off limits. This second point is vital.

Can anyone think of a logical reason why indicting Hillary on treason, vis a vis the foundation, as opposed to the emails, which I have always believed to be a straw man that the media can use to divert, HAS TO pull the entire government down? They are already arresting super delegates left and right on corruption charges. These have to lead to her and, if we believe the Reddit source and leaked info, there were emails related to the foundation found on her email. Also there will be more emails coming from Wiki leaks, Russia, etc that will confirm that she was treasonous. So what does Comy think he is accomplishing by not acting on her role in the foundation?

Regarding candidates, I want Bernie, but he may well endorse her, something his followers do not want... Trump I feel is less dangerous. Hillary wants war with Russia because her donors requested it. The Ukranian independence movement was started in the state department, by the wife of a diplomat. She is on tape asking Vitali Klitsko not to run as president. Klitsko, the former boxer, was a decent individual. But this action of trying to move the Ukraine to the E.U. was for all practical purposes, a declaration of war.

I will start with this. This election is unprecedented. We are in about the fifth inning and I have a feeling there is more to come! Thoughts?

 

The elections are indeed a rigged game, and have been for a very long time. The conspiracy goes far beyond just putting Hillary in the White House, however. Even so, what have you been able to figure out so far?

Note that my proposed solution for dealing with the sociopath problem, i.e. identify and disqualify, would also solve the problem you are trying to address regarding sociopaths putting one of "theirs" in the White House.