World View - and why one's world view is important

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That is correct. It seems to be a normal extension of our normal mental state under abnormal conditions. Time does not slow down, but our mental processes speed up and focus on the abnormal conditions, giving the perception that time has slowed down. That is my observation, my perspective, and my interpretation, and I admit that it is just opinion and open to debate (as is just about everything).

It's good that you ask. Do you think conversational hypnosis and self-conversation, whether done covertly or not, might be variations of the same thing? I think that may indeed be the case.

 

We know from observing covert conversational hypnosis that no altered state is required.

I believe that altered state you refer to is the unconscious state and is not a "filter".

So the only filter we have is the conscious mind, and it is not a very reliable filter because it too can be manipulated. Whereas the subconscious mind tends to accept everything as true, the more skeptical conscious mind may have to be tricked into accepting certain things as true.

I have experienced some of those situations requiring split second decisions, and I've noticed time seems to slow down, and logic is still a player in those instances.

 

According to Milton H. Erickson, as I have understood him (and I could have misunderstood), the conscious mind is the filter, the gatekeeper controlling the data allowed into the unconscious mind. This is just a speculative model that appears to offer a working explanation, but may not be entirely accurate.

Right, that is the Erickson model. Before the conscious mind can begin to filter the information, it all gets into the subconscious mind in our early years and is accepted as reliable or true information. That is surely a gross oversimplification of what happens, as both the conscious and unconscious mind are both developing in tandem and interactively. It might be more accurate to say there is only one mind in the beginning, a blank slate that cannot distinguish true from false. The conscious mind arises out of the conflict and error correction that has to occur from the contradictions that soon develop from the assumption that all incoming information is true.

Who will control your conscious mind? Will it be you, or will it be others who control the information you are conditioned to believe? This again shows that the filter is the conscious mind. The controllers either trick the conscious mind via selective information, and / or they bypass it via distraction.

This is where I think you are on the shakiest ground. I realize self-hypnosis is one of the explanations given for this process, but even though the technique can produce results, I think our explanation of what is actually happening is primitive.

That I disagree with. Humor can be taught and learned, but not easily. There are many kinds of humor, and it requires practice, as any comedian will tell you. Practice implies both teaching and learning, even if you do it alone. Much like self-hypnosis, I imagine.

 

If it is not teachable, then how did you learn it?

Because we know little about how the brain actually works, I am looking at it, with respect to the group mind network, like a computer programmer's "black box". A black box is an unknown code module that you can't look into, but you can interact with it, such as feed it data and observe the output. The brain waves you speak of are like putting sensors on the outside of the box and recording the EMF fluctuations as the box operates with the data you feed it. It doesn't tell you much about what is really happening in the box, though it is at least something you can add to your limited observations.

What I am focusing on is the quality of the data being fed into the black box. That data, for the most part, is coming from other similar but different black boxes! This networked exchange of data is a kind of cascading feedback loop. The results of this unfathomable mess is unpredictable, especially over time. That is the state of the human world. Given that model, how is any given black box going to be "objective", when nearly everything it "knows" comes from other black boxes?

Note that science (as a methodology) has been the only source of data that is somewhat independent of the minds of human beings. Science relies on measurements using instruments that give us data that is repeatable and not subject to interpretation. But science can only help with things that can be measured. And there's a lot we don't know how to measure.

 

I'm not saying that. I do make an effort to operate consciously as much as I can while I'm awake. When I'm asleep, it's a different story, as I try not to operate consciously. However, the bottom line is that I don't understand how the mind works.

Possibly. I am certainly willing to entertain such a notion. That would also imply that the conscious mind was programmed in childhood and continues to be, right? Making it mostly a group mind, since it is being programmed primarily from the outside? Like I said, how the mind works is largely speculation.

I don't believe I am a mere agent of the Group Mind. There is a complex and convoluted relationship between individual minds and group minds. We are all strongly influenced by the minds of others, so much so that you have to wonder what you would be and think if the influences of other minds had never occurred. A human mind raised in isolation would surely be so foreign that it would not be recognizable, if it were even functional. So the Group mind (both conscious and unconscious) is quite influential, yet we claim to make individual choices. Do we really make individual choices that are completely uninfluenced by others across our entire history of experience?

I have seen many mysterious things that the human mind can do, but I can't point to those things as "proof" of anything. Proof implies certainty, and I am not certain about anything.

I even question whether I can believe what I choose. How is my current choice dependent on my past choices? How is my current choice and all those past choices I made dependent on choices others have made? The dependencies are enormously plentiful, and the independencies are apparently insignificant, if they even exist. So that's why I lean towards Peter Joseph's claim that we are agents of a group mind, unable to be objective, even though we swear we are independent operators.

 

Why limit it to my experience? Is this not what we can all observe in the world? Is it different in your experience?

My point was that the Law of Attraction, which some people put a lot of emphasis on (and faith in), is a ridiculously foolish world view, full of inconsistencies and hypocrisies. It's clearly not even a law. The only reason to watch the video is to analyze the mistakes of reasoning and logic that the believers make in justifying this belief system. As such, it is a good study that illustrates what silly people we all tend to be.

 

Is it? Are you sure? Or does the subconscious mind effectively "program" (influence) the conscious mind? Is it an explorer of "what if" situations that the conscious mind refuses to entertain? I don't know myself, but my point is that your premise is not something that is certain.

Did you watch the video? Based on your comments, I have the impression that you did not. Am I wrong?

 

I had the impression that you did not agree with the Peter Joseph world view, since you put the facepalm smiley after it. So I guessed that if you disagree with Peter Joseph that we are agents of the group mind, then maybe you believed the opposite, that we are independent operators. This would also be more consistent with your apparent pro-capitalist stance.

Ah, I agree, so why would you disagree with Peter Joseph's world view?

I think that we are both agents of the group mind and independent operators, but much more agents of the group mind than independent operators.

 

Actually, I have come to the same conclusion from a completely different direction. I have argued the same thing here.

So Rose, explain to us how we are not agents of a group mind, how we are completely independent operators exercising free will. This is, of course, the position we have been programmed to believe by our American upbringing.

I take issue with the use of "mere" in Joseph's world view, because I believe we are both agents of a group mind and independent operators. It is a matter of constantly changing degree, like on an erratic sliding scale, with a heavy bias towards the end of the scale representing "agents of the group mind". Project Avalon immediately springs to mind, where everyone thinks they are independent operators, but they are so steeped in the group mind that when they split off, they recreate the same group mind that shaped them!

 

World View -- why some, if not most, world views are ridiculous.


What IS the Law of Attraction?


I took notes:

It's all about the money! You create your reality! Think about sitting on a pile of money, and it becomes real! If it doesn't, you weren't thinking about it correctly. But throw your thoughts out the window! Focus on how you feel! Worry about your vibrational energy! Feel good as much as possible! It's all about your happiness! Happiness is your number 1 priority! Dream big! But don't be frustrated if your dreams don't become reality, and don't complain!

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Those are all good questions, Rose. It is clear to me that you bent over backwards to accommodate our newest members, going far beyond what I would consider to be a minimum "floor". It is my hope that Sam will give you the courtesy of a public response to your questions.

 

How interesting. That is curious. There are some people that say there are no coincidences. Fred Steeves suddenly hits the eject button the minute he is challenged, claiming "This is never going to work, anyone who can half way read energy can see that." And his final dig at me is "Any bets on how long it takes me to get labeled a sociopath? " That's strange.

A few hours later, Sam hits the eject button out of the blue with "its just not the place for me and I am sure all the various labels about me will be emerging via Chico anyways..." That's mighty strange too.

Coincidence? There are some people that say there are no coincidences. I'm sure I don't know the full story, but I bet there is one.

 

Did you post the wrong video, Sam? I loved the happy performance, but I didn't see any "proof".