Overheard at the Pub

What if,,

Just a little red herring, of a distracted clue...pick it up ,and tuck it in your shoe...

What if the way you answer something tells me something about you,
I mean,
People come go,what would work
how would you know!
They say they are part of the sum
in some of the answer...
I rightly think ,just another chance her...

When did the problem start doctor , where does it hurt....
Put down your stethoscope take of your shirt...
In any diagnosis the patient should know,
at which point the parameters ,or the fence posts go....
If you are an answer , or part of the sum......
How do you know, if harm will not come...
First know the question ,before you take own,
you may not want
to reside in this throne.

[]

 

georgeoh...maybe..........:p

i am currently working this through on graph paper
i will post photos of my progress as needed.......may take a while

quantum physics! lol

 

George ohreally!.......

 

lol

i will work this out shortly

 

I think I can hear someone beavering away at an answer,

 

indeed luv indeed! :D

 

Well thanks to the resident smash you back down to earth arsehole McQ..
We now get to consider ,Monkeymans,Answer...

OK
No one is going to get "the" answer , because as always there is more than one explanation..
That being said , because of my particular "bent" "talent" thing i was left with.....

I have included a set of numbers....
they are in the words of the text ....
One particular avalonian has come here solely for this test....
He didn't realise this at the time , but people in the background new what I was doing before hand....
He did come...
And monkeyman....
What you did was a very , very , very , good job of externalising the metaphors...

You have written some very well thought out angles,and some of them are insightful...very.....some...
some are sweaty sock bollocks

This is a key for the philosophers...the thinkers , a , start....please read this carefully and mokeymans key....

But now to the math...
in the posts at avalon i was doing something , no one was aware of except my very close confidants...
Every post i made in answer to a question of relevance was a very simple math code using letters in a very simple way....
Thats ok anyone can do that...
My talent is to do it real time and answer your question verbally ...

We exorcised our demon on the web...and now its out there.....ticking....
the job was done at avalon...jst an outlet...
that was my paid objective , i did it....done ....no harm to anyone from me....it was bills looney ramblings that caused any problems and he still doing such...
who cares....
Im going to get my day in his face,so thats that until.....

meanwhile ,the same method is used here to see who is looking , recently i told monkeyman i wasnt interested ....i may change my mind..i may have made a mistake...
if so i will admit it ...
your still a sweaty sock...

you may say why here.....simple who is looking but us , or someone i summon here....its not a forum ...
im not a guru....and i aint got a fucking book to plug....

Im here to find someones.....


Thanks for your efforts monkeyman you have facilitated as expected and then some.....couldn't even feel the strings could you...
lol.

 

Nob!

 

The first question is, is this really a riddle? It looks and takes on the character of a metaphor.

It is hard to describe certain things without metaphor, we need to imagine ourselves imagining to imagine ourselves.

Thoughts on the metaphor:

• The bench, park, box and tree- it could be anything such as the universe, galaxy, solar system, planet. It could be an atom and all the bits in there. It could just a bench in a park with a box on it near a tree. The box, being both, could also represent the paradox of creation or quantum phsyics, knowing we are nothing yet we are something, we are matter yet we are non matter , we are atoms yet atoms are made up of nothing. The reality within the reality , the source, that is everything yet nothing and maybe another metaphor that would be good to describe this is Schroedingers cat experiment. Everything is possible depending on the way you look at it. Everything is what we perceive and what is real is in the box.

• The crow could be a crow, a person, a civilisation or species programmed to act in a certain way, to the unseen eye its actions are random,however, on a closer look you see there are patterns and method within its actions. The question here is whether or not the crow (whatever it is) is aware of that or not and if its actions are the crows or the, legacy, genetic programme, force ( whatever you want to call it).

• Crow taking no notice: it continues to methodically do what it is programmed to do, even when it was aware of the ? Like the forum, people returning back to old patterns that are familiar yet internally unnoticed. Indeed, even when noticed , still continued. Even with a higher understanding in our presence we still do as we are programmed and pick at strings the same way ( ask questions the same way,perceive string the same way.) We all think we are unique but if there was a crisis tomorrow, we would all act just as we are programmed to do.

• The man, he could just be a man or a higher intelligence , elite, creation of the box, the crow or both who knows both the pattern of behaviour and nature of the box , he watches the crow yet doesn't get too involved, instead observing . He is man, but he says he isn’t. another paradox, he is both? He is God? We attribute God like status to science we do not understand. The crow seems eager to give the man non human status due to his omnipotence. He could also just be the perception of the crow an another part of the box observing itself. It is interesting that he takes the box away, perhaps indicating he put it there in first place. What influenced either of those is a good question.
• Another part of the metaphor is maybe they struggle to see the true contents of the package because they are too busy thinking they are on a park on a bench looking at a box and a man who is and isn't human is telling the crow if it listens closely enough that everything it observes is everything else yet everything is in the box. We cannot see the forest for the trees, we are standing in a field of shit asking why our boots our brown.
• Father/ Mother duality: the body brain or our operating systems and biological mass that we inherited. We come from something and are aware enough to question existence and approach that existence a certain away, yet we also come from everything and are all ready part of that said existence.

PARADOXES
Everything seen as something can be observed by something and its perception is both that of something and everything when really it is all the same thing.

There are also elements of the cosmological argument:

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The Universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

Also a bit like the Schroedingers Cat thought experiment in reverse. The situation can be thought of in a variety of ways depending on the thought influence of the box. For me this is where the metaphor/riddle gets into quantum mechanics.

duality observing duality being ruled by the paradigm of singularity and the paradox of being nothing and something 1,2 and 3 simultaneously.


soooooooooooooooo after those rambling observations on the metaphor, there remain some questions:

How can the crow talk? again,it is because it is and isn't a crow and our understanding is dependant on our perception.

How did the ? influence the crow's actions or vice versa? How did the box influence both the ? and the crow? depends on what layer you want to approach that question.

Short answer: Quantum Physics and everything we have been trying work out since forever.

Everything is nothing yet something, actions are caused and exist, yet because they are also nothing they do not exist.

 

Ok,Monkeyman......says he likes a good puzzle ...
And we all know our host does to....
so this is a puzzle with a purpose.....puzzles with purpose are much more rewarding.......if you complete this puzzle you will be included in the answer.....



so...here we go...
Goodluck...

dancy7

The bench in the park was empty...

Apart from a box, a small box covered in brown paper...

I say a box.....

It was the shape of a box,

Wrapped in brown paper..... tied with string ....


It sat on the bench alone....

Then a crow flew down, it was a big crow.


It landed on the arm of the bench...

It's big feet grasping the arm...

It turned its head eye side and looked at the box....


Then the other eye....


Then it hopped onto the box..... making that hollow scratching sound they make on the roof....


It turned its head again, inspecting....


Then it made what looked like, to the human eye, a lot of wild bird stabs at the string...

In fact..., they were not random stabs at all.... if you could look slow you would see....


The stabs were stabs, but not random, no..... accurate..... very... each stab is at a separate piece of the knot...


This bird knows string, it has seen it..... before!...


Stab, stab, stab, stab..... the bird kept trying it, like a rubics cube, different combinations of stabs....


It was working...... it may have taken all day, but it was...


It wasn't going to though, because a man was approaching...


The crow was far to busy to notice the man..... but it did..... it's a crow....


It took no notice.... the man came right up close...

Looked at the scene... and sat on the other end of the bench....


The crow stopped what it was doing.....

Looked at him..... stab.... one last stab..... and jumped.... straight over the mans lap to the arm where he sat...

The man didn't flinch, the bird noticed this...


The crow looked at the man right in the eye....... turning its head thus...


The man looked back with both eyes.....

The crow open it's beak and said "who are you"

The man said "I'm nobody special"

The crow said "that is an unusual name for a man"

The man said "I'm not a man"

The crow said "I thought as much"

The crow went on "what are you doing here"

The ? said "I'm here to pick up a package"

The crow said "that package"

"My package"

The ? said "it's not your package is it"

The crow said "yes it is"


The ? said "if it's yours""tell me what is inside"

The crow said "I'm not telling you"

The ? said "it's not your package"

The crow said "ok , it isn't mine" "but" "what is inside it then"

The ? said "everything"

The crow said "everything"

The ? said "yes"

The crow looked at the package again.... looked back at the thing that said it wasn't a man but looked like one, but didn't act like one....

He finally said "it can't have everything inside" "it isn't big enough"

And he went on in his voice, which sounded like a telephone earpiece with someone shouting out of it from the other end of the line...

He said "look at all this, I live in that tree, that's not in there"

The ? "no, the box contains everything"

The crow lifted it's wing and stretched it...

Then said "what is out here then ????"

The ? said "everything else of course"


The crow looked at him and said "thank you"

"I always wondered what was in it"


"Always" said the ?

"Yes" said the crow "always"


"Why " said the ?

"It's in my nature " said the crow.

"Is string" said the ?.


"No" said the crow "it was in my fathers"

"What was in your mothers nature" said the ?.

The crow looked at the man again and stretched both it's wings right out and made a stretching sound...

Then turned again and said "everything else"

The crow then, took off....... and flew away.....


The ? picked up, it's package..... stood up..... and walked away... in the direction it came.





Ok, got the answer,Im going to give you no help what so ever..... guesses will be seen as such.....
but greatly received....... for comedic value.....

its worth the effort.......

 

I've thought of something,
It's quite unusual for me to think this would be useful here, but.

We have no esoteric point of veiw considered here.
I have been very preoccupied with not getting the footage.
So,
Should someone be doing something of that nature.
I have a freind who is an actual.
This is going to be an easy way to fix this for me.
A "no brainer" which is always a bonus with me...

She will get someone to sort that out ,its a society of those people , the best ,all the big money goes there for those needs ,of that ,nature.
So if anyone has any other input,please do it now.
I'm going to start budgeting and such boring stuff now , so once that's done I ain't doing any ad dons, this ain't Microsoft.
Then we wait , and cross off the calendar.
So speak now, or forever piss off,

 

Owe and I have been waiting three years for this to get here.
Sorry about that, I forgot because I have been discussing it with others as the time approached and I am not sure where I am with which bunch at which time .
He is a long term freind , this is an old argument.

Because of the long interval between events.

 

Like a beacon in the ocean..

No our options are limited to hard drive or USB.
Also this is not the set of close encounters , and I'm fully aware that you are tarring me with your brush mushroom boy, but I'm not you and I will get this done, everyone is trapped in fixed arrangements and I'm not important enough to worry about,
And the whole game is , I won't get the footage out ever,

Cos others have and failed
And I'm a has been

Now , being less forum lovey and a bit more practical.

I will be there to find out what is going on.
I don't for one minute think I will be to amazed at what I find , cos I already know most of what's been discovered in general terms ...
But my freind insists I will be..

There will be a vehicle of some nature , and there will be a meeting of some nature at this spot on this night for a specific reason.
Could be any I don't know, but it know the above for sure.
I will be able to get totally one off and completely original footage of ,and sound of ,this thing happening..


Any debunker worth a sort will do our job for us.

We just get the first bit done and then get it on here via a server , with a 17sec clip on YouTube pointing here .

Simple.

Lol
Sort off

 

thank you.

ok i think rose is really onto something with the treats idea.

disarming childlike gifts of some sort.

i think of what the native americans were looking for from colonists...gift that displays intentions.

maybe give THEM a live streaming iphone...lol thats rich.

....I'll shut up now.

 

Live streaming from the go, geeeez,lol.

Popped full of lead, ........ This is England dear boy ! That will not be happening .
To explain the situation as of the players I honestly didn't think necessary ... But I will.

Officials , as in , the letters and freinds

Then the generally well informed(others doing what I am)

Then the people that are doing the business on the ground , whoever they are...but it's business.

And of course any poor so and so that walks by...
Oh and us of course.

The old bill, why would they be bothered , they will be on a lock in at the local.
They are used to the crop circle crew running around with there mechanics and such , so they know all sorts go on and are not interested. Because of , you see.
There are so many other reps from London etc ,what would the 50 be needed for , unless called, and then it's just another.....

 

so we are talking a Richard Dreyfuss, building potato salad mountains, Close Encounters type event.

i should think live streaming would be critical, no?

signal silence until go time?

no behavior too alarming or threatening as to not got popped fulla lead..

given that yor you and you've got all o that already trackin in your thoughts, treats might ACTUALLY be a great idea.

gifts, trinkets, balloons, erm...crystals, magnets, gold, etc...

bring the proverbial alligator that pops the party floats without offending or insulting the they...

 

Well ,

Maybe if we ask nicely NASA could bring there fleur camera...
Then we would have an excuse for being there, plus spiels burg being there is always a good excuse.
Lol

But keeper coming I'm only takin the piss,

 

Weeeeelll dunno how stupid this idea is but I'll throw it out there anyway.

For me I think it'd be cool to use a 3D camera if there's one that exists of decent quality and size as depth in the video would really bring the whole thing to life. Even youtube does 3D now so... It'd certainly be a stretch for the media to try and disprove a 3D vid as a hoax too

 

Well it started out your usual banter about stuff I don't need , and then low and behold you started talking sense, brilliant,
Yes the headsets are useful.
As far as pushing buttons etc.....this is me son....lol
Also, if needs be I will do something very "active" I assure you lol.

And as far as I know with regards to info

There is the usual blanket that's laid before the picnic , they usually have .
So all the things that happen at his place are happening and that means I know via him , when where, because of the prep.

Now the prep includes civil aviation on a different rotation from a busy airport.

A big boy in the air
Etc etc
So , he says
As usual "it's happening again soon"
I say" it's in your imagination son "
He says " no it isn't and I can prove it , if I didn't need the money "


This is the general argument we have


This time is different.
He has been made redundant in recent cuts.
So this time the convo went more like this.

He says it's happening again,I say prove it, he says ok then .
Lol

The rest Is above.

What is coming and why I don't know,
But I know it's not from here according to him..

And if it takes me suddenly running out of the bushes and rugby tackling one of or who ever is the nearest , I will.

 

notions i had...

geocaching is a fun past time. people place collectibles and bobbles in random wooded or urban locations with GPS coordinates or clues and others go and find em. like a treasure hunt. its also a great alibi for being somewhere yor "not sposed to" be. for good cover you get a geocaching app for your phone, create a false login and post a geocaching treasure in or near the spot you will be going, create YOR login that you show to the constables proving your on a legit geocaching hunt. disable the bluetooth and wifi capabilities until caught...if caught.

camera - go pro's are cool, relatively inexpensive, and i know someone who knows someone there. they have an undeclared version called the "Ghost Pro," total low light/infared capabilities. We had them manufactured and designed by go pro for the reality show i was in called Anomaly to hunt and film ghosts. If you give me the word i may be able to get my hand on two or three. ill cover the cost if there is any. Wifi capability of the ghost pro can be disabled...i fink.

I dont know wha to suggest in terms of angles and what to focus on as i dont know what exactly the mission is. What are we looking at?

Is it a floating anti grav military ship from the 50's?
if so, film above it and have someone run underneath "proving" its floating.

a stationary "they" craft
if so go inside and press lots of buttons, or sit in the chair or whatever gets it turned on. maybe kiss its ear softly.

bigfoot,
have some tea and discuss the manner in which they teleport back and forth

a monolith from "2010 a space odyssey,"
touch it! Touch it!

etc...

 

No , no signals or at least old ones that no one looks for , or can't, they are a mess , I'm not worried about any would be visitors, they will know undoubtedly

It's the others there I'm trying to avoid to throw the ball forward.
Then I can goose chase everyone for as long as I can, they will know what I'm doing and why but will have to commit resources anyway..lol.... It's well annoying being in that position, lol


Oh and I would exspect big boy drones up long before the off. (Should of said that )

 

Like what rose?
I mean I'm game , but they are here for quite serious reasons as far as they are concerned.
All party's really.

 

drone? I don't know how high (altitude) a emf jammer is effective...

you can get consumer ones here starting at $100.

 

Yep all taken care of

All the terrain info that can be gleaned from ordinance surveys and the relevant google etc, so yes all that sort of thing is away in the bag

Maybe I'm not being clear enough, I must admit I'm not sure of what I'm exactly asking,
I just don't want to turn up at the pool only to realise your allowed to have inflatables and I didn't bring my crocodile....

Sort of thing,
One chance here man , and then a stint in the pokey prob ,lol

 

Do you have any more information on the environment?

My first thought is having one of the cameras positioned to give a reference of scale of the they. The other, angled for up close detail.

 

So after thinking of the first thing one thinks of in these things

I have location
I have the people I need
I have the means to hear/see what I need to
And a rudimentary Idea of a physical plan/angle

So details in each

The location is the countryside ,(in the middle of no where
It will be late cold and no moon(dark)
I must have an excuse to be in the area at night
As must my compadres
Transport must be all wheel drive


The main second is someone I trust 100%
And qualified with the skills needed
And there are to independents with camera skills and get away fuckin quick skills

And me(comic relief , if anyone was wondering why I'm going)


The equipment cannot be high tech
The equipment must have ability for low light
Equipment must be installed prior to event


The ground will be surveyed prior by first installing sound , and tags will be laid for independents

The problems , no transmitting data
No high tech(Bluetooth etc)
Practical hand held devices (robust inconspicuous)
The data must be physically carried by someone
Multiple people must leave with data

That's so far

Now I'm sure all the commandos are going to tell me what I need to do next, so I will let that complete it's cycle , then tell what 20 years has taught me.

Thinking on

Please comment , but don't tell me how , instead tell me what may be a good thing to pick up on , see form and angle , etc

The funny thing is we can sit here in the open , and discuss it.
Because I'm done for , lol
We are forgotten about
Un important

Gone

They are not even looking

And don't care

Lol

Talk about on your own flag pole

And the info , is cast iron , cast fuckin iron.
This will be a very weird twist in our silly tail.

 

well if there is a they far far away, and they are looking at us now, because we are so far away from them they are actually WAY ahead of us in time looking backwards at our emissions....and whatever signals we are getting from them are also back in time from our perspective because they are so far far away that any signals we are getting from them would have been sent Millenia ago. im basing this on the assumption that it would take time to get here in the first place...

 

Ive been considering for a couple hours whether or not i should post here with this line of reasoning,
but im in already and would like to see where it goes.

If "they" are a they not an it, and if by being a they are therefore a bit of us as well since nothing "out there" is really out there solely...

and if they are looking at us back "in time" from their frame of reference without wanting to roll over us cause theyre clever,

and they realize that if they are looking back at their past and muddle about too much....then their now could become a completely different now and potentially cause all sorts of issues.

and since we too are looking back "in time" from our vantage point at them

then somehow we are each looking into our separate pasts and seeing a bit of us in them?

if we roll over each other too much then do we both end up having a different now because of what we did back then to them.

NOW if we broaden our parameters even further and know that we can dilate time and make an instant last as long as we want, or as-long-as-we- want expressed in an instant simply by changing our own perspective like a timelapse video does of a tree growing.... then what?

does the whole thing become an it? or is that expression a they for another us who's frame rate is higher than ours?

or/and does that muddling about have any bearing on our development as to what we see being expressed as civil and global societal development at the frame rate that THAT takes place in, which like a tree growing in a timelapse video is only perceptible when we change our own frame rate to match it and make sense of it?

 

I have been sitting here wondering or is wandering , who cares anyway...
About how I will go about this , and I thought well

No, hang on.......
Thinking .........
Which I have been doing for a while so I thought I would just type and trap myself into it...

As you can see it still hasn't worked...
But
What I want to do is do what I always do ...and explain what I'm doing as I do it...
The thing is in doing so I hand my game away...
Sometimes that is deliberate and is where the reward can be...
It's a hard way to play in the open.....but satisfying when cornered.
I'm always accused of being cryptic...
I'm not, it's just rather hard to explain when restricted and constricted ...
Well I'm not anymore...so I was thinking if I bring you along vicariously on this physical op...you would see and know all and seeing it happen will explain a lot wouldn't it.

But surely you understand the obstacles in that are quite ridiculous , unsurmountable even...

How can I do this and show all my hand cards wallet collar and cuffs, impossible...


So this is where I came in...
How can I ...

Well I thought often the secret to hiding things is to put them in the open we all know that don't we ...
But this has a step further , because of educational parameters the general mind has been trained to not put the parameters far enough apart..
This leads to massive misconception of the reality of the thing "you ,do, look and see".


An example , the man in the car at the traffic lights , hears the choke of his tired engine , it sounds like it will dissolve into a lump of steel at any moment , he thinks of his mortgage, his insurance, his , his , shit .....you know
Then as he waits at the lights of life . He thinks can things get any worse..

Then a big flash car pulls up next to him...
The guy has money , a great life , and is smiling , at him from his lofty position..

What's he thinking as his cheeks vibrate to the of time chug of his tired engine.???

Mildly putting it , probably , something like "smug prick"

The guy has been driving in his range rover from Scotland all night because he drove there all day previously to see his kid get graduated ....he did this terrible stint of driving as he is always at work ,which has estranged his wife ...
And made his children strangers even though he loves them dearly...
He has to be at work because the economic climate is bleak , and the company is struggling , people work there and they have mortgages and children and grandmothers that come for Christmas like his used to when he was a kid...
He remembered ,as he pulled up at the lights not far from the office, when he was younger and the kids were small and his wife's expectations of him were all that mattered ....

Those were the days , shit house , shit boiler , shit car , as he pulls to a stop ,he looks at the guy next to him in his crappy car ...
Yeah he thinks , just like that one , he looks at his watch , it's 7:30 am , time most people head for work , like he is , only they haven't been driving all night , the guy in his chug mobile must be off to work , after getting up and having breakfast with his wife...saying good bye to his kids, but he will see them later ,,, he thinks how he misses that time, that life , how did he get here.........
He looks down at the guy , as the guy looks up from his crate , smiling embarrassingly , he looks down from his heated plush leather seat at him , as the the man in the crate looks up from his vinyl ,

And both envy each other......

It's about your parameters , put them far apart when you start to puzzle a route to your true thoughts...

Think of everyone , everything....

Nicola is always famed as being such a genius he fathomed whole machines in his mind ...
He didn't , but he did do was even more fantastic to me...
He spent a long time stocking his workshop and stores with all sorts of precious things , and he loved them all so much as he marvelled at ther math and simplicity , that he took stock of them all, every cog every capacitor , every length of wore he threw there on Tuesday..and the bolts he put over there on Sunday , when everyone was home...
He knew every part he ever picked up intimately and re breed them in absolut detail, so you see..he didn't invent machines ...
He put the things together to invent machines and then picked the parts from his memory and mind to make them happen,

Before he did...

Because he knew he had the parts, as sometimes having the parts led to the eureka moment...

Then and only then did he go into the store , and with his bemused baffled assistants ran around grabbing parts at what seemed like random, then went about at equal hats putting it together...

Gather
Survey
Innovate
Conceive
Design
Apply

Drop the garbage ...the world is giving you...

So with that in mind , I should widen my parameters , wouldn't they look stupid if I did tell you all I could, and did it here , went , got footage got it on this forum ,before they got me!

Now that's a challenge.
Some are thinking who is this dick, some are thinking, worth a laugh , and some are thinking , succeed.
Well we will all see what we are thinking ,when I do this, I was going to do it for avalon ,not this way, but similar , this is far more ,better smelling...
Forgive typos , didn't check , just typed and sent.


I will start my thinking on this.