Self Protection Violence and the work of Rory Miller

Martial Artists as protectors and solders have traditionally dealt with physical conflict traditionally in one of two general ways: Either the conflict is covert. One is essentially unprepared for what might occur. So for example, someone in an Israeli market might be putting bombs down in places. Or, one is aware, so for example a prison guard going in for his shift having a general idea about what might happen on his shift.

I am making this distinction because of one of my own biases. Let me explain briefly. I have taught martial arts now for over 40 years and in that time I have had some dangerous occupations, some of which I can speak of including, as a bouncer for many years, I also volunteered to train the San Francisco chapter of the Guardian Angels Street Patrol for many years. During these two stints for example, it was very dangerous BUT one knew what they were essentially up against and could of course make some preparations. Even under extreme conditions! for example, I had to train a group of precocious youngsters, some with severely limited reasoning skills, adolescent sense of being invincible...To go into crack houses, chase the dealers out, all without the use of any weapons! You see it is the creed of the Guardian Angels that the minute one picks up a weapon, weapons are fair game, and that all the enemy of the Angels will not resort to weapons knowing that the Angels did not carry.... This reasoning works BTW, suprisingly well in fact.

I will continue this intro to the topic later today.

 

oh prey tell i live in the laurels

 

That group in Northern California that had roots in Esalen, Ann Rand, and Psychic research from Russia...was a big part of the puzzle. There is a connection there with Scientology, Parsons, Crowley and The Process (the Satanic group). The Nazi technologies via paperclip were also part of the puzzle...The California Institute of Technology, a small school...not a university! becomes the leader in Jet Propulsion technologies via Parsons and paper clip scientific muscle... Imagine that, a small school with such a small population becoming such a cluster!

Meanwhile Skinner and behavoir mod were technologies the Russians were way ahead of and most people saw this when Skinner came to dominate the field of psychology in the fifities. Skinner virtually plagorised this material from the Russian behavorists. What most people tend not to see is the seqway of how behavoir mod is part of the psychic research and development that was part of Russian and East German research and development. But old patterns hold true! New established modalities are for the West Coast and California becomes the vanguard for those that are succesful. So it was that all these institutes like in Monteray, EsLan, EST, Scientology, etc took root and were funded well. In Physics rocket propulsion studies, and even things like remote viewing were developed...not in a university but in a small school in Pasadena (Caltech) go figure. These programs could be nursed along, used in Black Opps, etc. with little interference.

Manson and others were an experiment... They were essentially vectors for putting stuff out in the community. You take the hippie and imitate, with a different purpose altogether. When the disinfo people got out into that community it wasn't long before Real social experimentation was replaced with CIA bought Heroine. There were so many Satanists a part of all these groups as well, there were also a lot of other assorted groups veying for power. These people wanted to see how to use dark energy, in space, in the psyche, in controlling behavior, etc... and needed a feeder system to control the rank and file...we will soon see how upscale communities, the bones of German Shephards, in the hundreds, occasional grisly murders, were all part of this system. Disinfo was another primary system for this feeder...It destroyed most of the groups, the merry pranksters, the Diggers, etc. When that did not work factions could coax the Hells Angels to create a disturbance or ten lol! Breaking skulls could quickly antagonize most gatherings.

As you point out the Tate murders, as many other such incidents are fishy... there are many connections and other strange murders that on the surface do not make sense but which hint at a large conspiracy.

I have to finish this cook book for my boy then I will start to pull from Laurel Canyon. This segways right into the material we are discussing. As a matter of fact it all comes together very well. The shock is where it is really centralized. If anyone ever doubts that these groups were connected ask them one question: ask them how many groups have applied for a tax exemption based on claiming to be a religion, and how many have been succesful. The answer might suprise a few people: The world religions and...Scientology! People might also be shocked to learn how many of the sixties musicians were connected by family to the military, and how much the military was connected through high society to the main feeder group: The Process. This persists to this day... Kay Griggs tale of whoa should perhaps be discussed...because there are still groups with agendas, and with different feeders into the community, veying for power and control of affairs, cash and political pull.

 

One last interesting side note.....they've not stopped toying with the minds of people on the street....This is incidentally part of what I got an "A" grade on from Uncle Jack....

Not long ago there was this internet nut job...she claimed the Pleadians were going to save us and her spaceship was piloted by Arch Angel Michael...her brother....she was selling videos on YT of her boobs to fund her cause...and she was indeed under the "influence" of Uncle Jack....(she is the woman on the right)...Coleen Thomas...the man of course is Uncle Jack!

She has since come down a bit and has found Jesus.....kinda like Susan Atkins!

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Good morning David,

Had company yesterday and had to delay any and all posting. God I hadn't hashed this information up for a long time and it's still as sick as it was back then. Let's start with an interview he did for Diane Sawyer...at 3:00 in this video he concludes...he had a terrible childhood and "never sold out"....toward the very end of the video he says...."the mind is in the universe...there's a world in there and he's free...."

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I don't think there are many out there who would disagree that Manson's brain is hard scrambled. In this video Susan Atkins describes Tex Watson as under the control of something stronger....she calls it the devil...but he clearly in her opinion was under the "influence" of something else. Even she has a moment of control to not use the knife...(sub conscious stepping in) and refrained from killing...leaving the job to Tex. All participants of this murder were under the influence of 1) Drugs, 2) a power that "took control" and needed deprogramming...in her words that took her 5 years personally....only to find peace with what she'd done through god...or perhaps that peace through god was yet another program installed and created from the "institute".

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There is so much to this I really don't know where to begin to be honest....but I discovered there is a deep connection to a study and group of scientists from around the world who stepped into the study of mind and warfare and heavy influence to step beyond the boundary of insanity and use it for an end to a means. That means does not lead where you think it might which I've also been looking into for quite some time. That end leads to "deep pockets" of the ultra rich and private funding of silicon valley and world production with a cast of characters that would eventually create shivers up the spine of even the hardened criminals of today.

Helter Skelter:

A book written by Vincent Bugliosi the prosecutor for the DA's office of Manson and the gang.

Now I'm going to get right to the meat of it:

This is from his book Helter Skelter ....Page 366...On August 1, 1969 Manson told several Family members he was going to Big Sur to seek out new recruits. He left on the morning of August 3rd. He picked up a young 17 year old hitchhiker named Stephanie along the way. Here is a copy from the book to page 367:



Now here is where it start to get interesting....

Two days before Manson decided to leave for Big Sur....(August 1st)...On July 30th.....at 3:07 PM.....from the same book Helter Skelter....



Now....I could get deeper into this... the research I've done is extensive and would take up several pages...but the cast of characters and what they were doing at Esalen was that of sheer megalomania in the area of research! This is an excerpt from "Uncle Jack" (who btw has not a damned thing to do with Kerry Cassidy as it was questioned here at this forum) and his involvement later on at Esalen... note in the wiki link...Physics–Consciousness Research Group.

And do read the entire portion of "in the thick of it"....down to the very end it's quite "enlightening".

I will highlight this part....and the second murderer to come out of the halls of Esalen...Ira Einhorn....who to this day claims his innocence and the use of psychotronic as presented to Professor Stafford Beer in his "declaration" of innocence. Was he innocent? I have no freaking idea...but murders abound in the realms of Esalen which they would very much like to keep quite. Ira Einhorn was Uncle Jacks publisher until....well he ran to escape trial for murder.

Highlight portion:
Jenny claimed to be channeling messages from "The
Nine" -- the same extra-terrestrials that Puharich wrote about.
In view of my own contact in 1952 I should have been more
diplomatic with Jenny when she came to my apartment at 2 Whiting
Place -- the apartment that Michael Murphy had given me. Jenny
impressed me as total fraud, and I practically kicked her out. I
was verbally very rude. Jenny and The Nine was promptly
installed at Esalen for quite some time overlapping with visits
by the late physicist Heinz Pagels, Congressman Charlie Rose,
Ira Einhorn, and high ranking Russians from Georgy Arbatov's
Moscow Institute of US and Canada, which was influential during
Gorbachev's watch.


http://whale.to/b/sarfatti.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sarfatti

http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000/declaration.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esalen_Institute

When you get done with that there's a whole lot more that has gone on there in the field of brain research and consciousness...as I said the end to the means... and Manson was just the start of "things to come"....

Keep in mind....Sarfatti is no slouch....he just gave a talk at the University of San Diego Physics department....and spoke of those "deep pockets" who fund his research because DARPA did not pay him enough.

Have you met my Uncle Jack? He laughed at me when I played this song for him...

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Rose

I enjoyed the two presentations. An interesting aside: On the second blog the picture of Harlow and Bern, that look on Bern's face...That is the look that satanists have when they are with someone they are possessing. It is a very distinct icy look, the best way to describe it is, the person doing the look will give a look into the camera that says "I own this!" I don't know if this alone can mean much but if other factors come together it might indicate some of Bern's motivations...You can see this look for example here with La Vey and Sammy Davis Junior

Yeah that other guy is the colonel. lol.

 

The paranormal angle is fascinating. There are several examinations of the property you mentioned with paranormal groups and they found a lot of interesting stuff. There is also a house that involves Scientology, again when I pull material I will look for this. That angle is worth a look.

Then there is the other angle. Seems like strange unexpected deaths and suicides have been the norm and Laurel Canyon plays a big part in these events. There is some indication some of them might be SAtanic, there are other indications that it is purely much as we have seen with Clinton where a few days ago Assange's attorney just happened to jump in front of a train...Bringing strange deaths to people involved with bringing down the Clintons to like....8 in the last few months. These events have been occurring for years though. I forget her name but the female lead for the mama's and papa's, who knew where a lot of those bodies were buried passed...Cass? I think her name was.

There is a narrative where everyone from Zappa to Morrison had family in the military and died young. Way past the coincidance or drug user correlation. The thing is that it still happens that way today, we are witnessing it when we are told that a man was killed by a barbell landing on his throat...any one who has lifted knows that a bench press bar lands on the throat not a barbell! And more suicides. People don't demand any information so they just let it pass. These are the psychopaths and they have plenty of work when the Clintons are in town.

 

I will pull some material for you, it will probably be on Monday. Its an interesting connection. I always was a chauvanist in thinking that Northern Kali was where the money was... I was quite suprised by what I found, I will throw it into this thread and maybe later if you and Rose want, it can be mutated.

Ohh and any info on Manson would be great! I only have a general frame work for him and we know (as you will see) that he was down in Laurel Canyon (with the Beach Boys for example) which means he was exposed to some "top of the food chain" disinfo works...

 

I've heard a little about Laurel Canyon...But I haven't seen the connection to SOS and Manson. Nothing would surprise me however....I'd be interested in seeing that to see if it goes along with what I saw...which was at least two murders from the same "group" of associates.

Natural Born Killers...



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Hawkings is suspect on many levels. There are some decent whistleblowers claiming that he is controlled...One problem we have is that we have to take for granted that he can do all sorts of things that are claimed...some individuals are not so sure.

One proof of the possability that he is controlled is in the very idea postulated. It seems illogical to assume there is no possability for time travel. Science fiction has always been a predictor for the scientific advances in the future, probably because it models the technologies that are sought. The computer on Star Trek would be a perfect example of this.

We know for a fact that time travel to the past is possible because the past exists...it exists in the photons that we receive from distant stars...today. It exists in other waves that are out there and present in a moment while the universe recedes. Quantum theory postulates a future as well so travel to the future seems like a possibility.

One has to be very mindful about seemingly slight evolutions that take place in thought. These evolutions are often hidden, nobody seems to recognize the jumps. One such evolution is the idea that mathmatical formulations are limited. Mathmatics are always conceptual and at times bare a tenious relationship to the material models that present to us. What this means is that thinking itself, conceptually, has to find a way to express certain ideas that exist in some of the more theoretical paradigms for physics: Quantum theory, String theory, etc. A great example of this is the book "A Wrinkle in Time" (Madeline Leang (sp))... Einstein's concept of time travel could not truly be understood as an explainable concept to many until the fictional concept of tesseracting. Tesseracting simply describes time travel as folding time and space like one folds a piece of paper and then jumping to the other side of the fold... It gives mental clarity and conceptualization to an otherwise dense concept in physics involving large objects.

One will notice that in essence Black Holes become that fold...the properties of black holes in many respects represent how the law of conservation of energy deals with the great amounts of energy that involve moving across time and space. Of course one problem with black holes is that when we work with them the amount of density (singularity point etc) and energy involved becomes unthinkable. But if one simplifies the concept one will notice that most aspects of a black hole can be conceptualized if one tesseracts! You take a paper fold in all the mass, gravity and time and account for them as forces, one has a way to travel across space and time. This is vastly simplified for demonstration purposes but the purpose is to grasp a concept in epistemology so that it can be understood and developed.

Now try telling theoretical physicists that the concept of a black whole can be enunciated with a child's book and I am sure you will be laughed at. Its the same thing we need with Quantum Theories. The need among others to see the limits of wave/particle behavior, do waves have a consciousness? another sloppy word sigh. BTW string theory already does this with the idea that a string can thread through many dimensions and that the objects upon a string, or the string itself can be in and out of these various dimensions... This might be why some theoretical physisists like the string theory model.

There might well come a time where big things, like black holes and dimensions can be brought into the rhealm of small things like the wave functions and photon behavior.

Regarding Manson: I would welcome this info Shadow! I studied Laurel Canyon and it shook me up! I would like to touch base with you on this...I know you are aware about Laurel Canyon and Manson seems part of that evil nexus. I have traced that group all the way to Westchester county New York with the Son of Sam. We should talk about this... It is frightening to say the least. The order was involved and Satanic processes that were covered up. Lets see your info and if you so desire we can work with these materials. They are connected.

 

Interesting take on it;

The vital impetus and will to live, ie; Elan vital as he describes it is in the backactivity of the wave function which is part of the Bohm interpretation. These sessions I join in on are quite fastening. In fact just today I was reading comment and was quite surprised to see one guy quoting exactly what I postured in my thread that went to the wayside on some things proposed by Hawking and CTC's (closed time like curves). Here is a small quote in that discussion.

Here:
“Hawking may be on the wrong side of history. Recent experiments offer tentative support for time travel's feasibility—at least from a mathematical perspective. The study cuts to the core of our understanding of the universe, and the resolution of the possibility of time travel, far from being a topic worthy only of science fiction, would have profound implications for fundamental physics as well as for practical applications such as quantum cryptography and computing..."


Of course I'm not going to bore you with the complete statement but it is the same thing I proposed...now I of course am not a physicist but am very interested in this particular subject because I believe from doing some rather long and deep investigation/research I personally think, as out there as this sounds it is quite feasible and I did write that I thought Hawking was wrong and I explained why. I also related it to computer code which is quite interesting as the quote I just provided also states the connection to such. Mind you I'm not gathering my source material from some nabs (new age bullshit) or conspiracy source but have found that deep pockets are involved in this research and development and lets face it....what we once thought was science fiction has indeed often times become science fact. Are we there yet? Awe....the paradox!

Should I say it...LOL...

Only time will tell....denz2

But back to the survival of the fittest and that would include even the smallest cells...yes organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce.

I had to work overtime the last few days but alas the weekend is here and tomorrow I will share what I learned of Manson and his associations to this physicist and friends.

 

That is fascinating. It goes to the very crux of the issue. lets take the following statement: "Life exists when some entity consciously protects itself." THis is sloppy but it can work for my ad hoc purpose... Big things have all kinds of mechanisms that we associate with biological entities, when we talk about self protection: Biological entities tend to be big things, even the smallest protazoans are big compared to atoms and subatomic particles. Big organic things have very obvious protection mechanisms. If I put a certain concentration of salt in their environment protazoans will move. If I try to punch someone in the nose their hand will rise to stop the blow.

One problem scientists have is reconcilling the behavoir of big things with small things... Einstein does a great job of describing the physical universe of big things, but virtually all of his concepts change when translating to small things, vis a vis quantum level processes. Biological entities, computer entities, all have been shown to be very well understood with respect to Quantum processes: We have a real sense that vibration and parity of such, is the very basis of what ancient India called "Spanda", which is the stuff of consciousness.

When I read what you posted it explains quantum process within biological entities, and...it postulates the Most basic self protection response: That would be in the second to last statement in the piece. Unlike a rock, we preserve homeostasis by controlling the vibrational frequencies (wave transport) and prevent them from simply degrading.

The awareness to protect life, can be said to supercede many other biological processes, it is ingrained to a degree...to what degree? well it would appear the information you are sharing tells us at least on the cellular level. While these gentlemen have found a focus point, some cell pinal gland (lol joking) this is a great start. I wonder what happens when we discover that we have an instinct (again a sloppy word) to protect this vibrational activity, and that our cells will fight to the death to preserve it...and what if we find that even the cell nodules only are convenient transmitters and receptors and that the actual point at which these waves translate is a mystery?

And all those animistic traditions. How do they read the macro effects of waves? I mean of course we have photons and sound waves, etc...but is there some more subtle process that would cause a Samurai to believe in the soul his sword posseses?

So we have come to a point in this thread where we see that self protection is part of cell structure. In this case the recognition that a biological entity has, where it has a need to preserve the integrity of a wave feebback system. Great Post!

Please also let me know if I am not getting any aspect of the material. These points just seemed to jump out at me.

 

Whoa boy...be careful what you ask for...LOL

Actually if you want I will try to do so and condense some of the information I gathered long ago on that subject. Give me a few days to compile it. I actually got somewhat of a conformation on it from one of the people involved in the project....he was a professor and gave me an "A" when he read my report in a cock sure manner of course...LOL The study if you can believe it came out of Lawrence Berkeley national Laboratory and move on from there. True story! They were scared shitless it would end up in the news as part of the trials...also true! Now where this study has gone from there is even more interesting. I sort of became acquainted with the professor and he invites me to participate in some of the papers written for comment...I usually just observe however.

Here is a taste of one of those sessions I sit in on.

 

Shadow

You can post anything you like on this thread... There is always a natural dialectic with these events. In this case one can guage the effects of disinfo agents. I thought as much about charlie because he is such a characture! And its all there with Charlie...Drifter. Hey he plays music! psychopath.... couldn't create a better human weapon. There was actually a real Manson.... A martial artist went to prison as a cult leader, James Mitrose... sensationalised because his student allegedlly killed under his direction. He was a lot less sexy than Charles though lol.

Disinfo became a geat weapon but why? Probably because of the preponderance of real drifters, takers, sexual predators, etc. The disinfo guys blended right into the rest of the gang.

 

Good morning David!

I couldn't agree more. You know I did a HUGE study on on that dude Manson. I gathered so much information that leads directly to a controlled study that stemmed from SRI (Stanford Research Institute via the CIA and documented) it's amazing! However it's too much information to add here on this thread and would certainly veer it off topic so I will just say as conspiracies go....I truly believe there was one and it was of the sort that paled the Manchurian Candidate! Well documented as well but not brought into court or the public domain for further review. Imagine that!

Indeed....who is the enemy? Wah Hay!

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Wow! Great vids Great vids!! I am 52 and am told that I was, as a toddler thrust on mom's back in a papoose of sorts, as we would go to war demonstrations in Central Park... New York City? where is that!! Why less than 100 miles from WoodStock dude! Yes what a time it was...a Bakti movement inspired and went to work against the same type of conspirators as we have today and brought about change...and what a battle it was.

By the time when the government was in full assasin mode, the architects of a new society were making it so in Northern California....New York City where is that? about 3500 miles from Berkely dude! And Haight Street was seeing more recruits by the day, young people ready to enter these communes (many became pot growers in Mendocino county and persist to this day, as very wealthy individuals) and use their gifts to shape how things would look after the revolution.

Its sad for me, having spent many years on Haight Street actually (we still have a place near there) to see what put an end to what could have been... The government tried with their assasinations for sure...and the disinfo agents were put out everywhere to ruin the communes, which had effects, but the gifted young minds were smarter than the man.... What really did the work was Chico's favorite topic. Given the purity of the ideas, the pure intent of the people who really wanted change, the communes became the veritable Indian village taking delivery of the blankets covered with small pox....the small pox in this case were the drifters, the sociopaths, the pretenders...who all imitated and usurped these communities. Charlie Manson a man who I would love 5 minutes with alone...prefarably with some nice sharp objects and maybe a blunt instrument....Charlie was the perfect example, a bit extreme, but a great analogy for what happened when the sincere met the deranged.

Not long after the beautiful Hippie Girls who sold acid for the Dead Concerts started selling Heroin to pay for tickets...and not soon after that all the hippie girls became hooked on the heroin and didn't have the time or patience to work for an uplifting experience like a mushroom trip, when just a shot of mexican mud would make one feel no pain. Jerry Garcia was not the irony many would imagine... He was an embodiment of the destruction, the sickness that engulfed One of the greatest revolutions that ever occured in our country. IN the end all it took was sociopathology, human nature and greed to beat back what the government could not!

I want to share something with you Shadow: I was always a respected member of my peer group while going through college, graduate school, etc... As such I grew quite sure of my instincts and understanding, with the caveat that one can always learn. But by and large if you had met me and talked about some of the conspiratorial things that we take for granted as an community in this present day and age? I would have gently laughed and told you the sad story of the Bakti revolution that had birthed such fearsome foes as Kessey and the Merry Pranksters, the Black Panthers, the Hells Angels, the Grave Diggers, etc...and I would have reminded you that simple grifters, pretenders, commercialization (add agencies had massive hiring of the hippies on Madison ave) had destroyed the children of the light. I would have mentioned the grifters who needed power, like Manson, and how they walked into a veritable chicken coop meet fox situation. Today? It would not suprise me if it turns out Charlie was a gov agent. I find myself wondering why Castro survived so many moons.

Yes war is a mugging. War is a display of dominance first and foremost. A largely symbolic act requiring massive blood sacrifices of the truly innocent. How many were sacrificed for Kissinger's vision? and the bastard is ready to do more harm through his latest neocon devil. We already know that Killery has a mandate to go to war with Russia. Just like we knew Bush was going to destroy Iraq and destabilize the Middle East.

From Miller's perspective one could almost hear him saying that we are all being set up for the slaughter with the socialization. A president like Nixon speaks so antiseptically about a conflict. Then the generals get together and how many battles fought determine the end or any significant change in the war? Not since world war 2 at least. We could still be fighting in Vietnam being socialized that a tarry is kept regarding who is winning and losing. We could be going into the chicagos, detriots and baltimores and shipping out the gang bangers....But then the prison industry would protest! After all when schools teach nonsense unabashedly... that is what common core is BTW and I have studied the curriculum. and when these kids hate school because of it, and when school socializes these kids while television challenges the role of the family...and while little Johnny would love to talk to mom and dad, when they finally get home from work, but little Johnny has HOMEWORK! lets keep little Johnny away from his family shall we? Not hard to do when Mom and Dad have to work for the same income Dad uses to work for to keep a roof over thy heads.

So the state raises little Johnny to tolerate...nonsense. And then little johnny will either be told "Get a good slave position so you get paid well for your time" or other societal institutions will enable Johnny...The corrections people will make him a great criminal, so the prison industry can get paid...and if the prison industry gets too full (if we let every black man out of prison tomorrow we would still have the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world by far!) then we start another few wars so little Johnny can fight and die as cannon fodder.

Thats what the neocons want. Thats what the Elites want. That is the enemy that has to be identified. Miller may well say "we are in a room and don't know who to attack" Heres one of my favorite speakers making the point better than I ever could... Who is the enemy?

gorgeus dre the enemy

 

Careful now David (lol)....I'm hesitant to admit I was in the thick of it....they called us "bums". Many is the time I laid my head to rest on my knapsack to crash on the floor of the local underground/free press offices. In fact I hitched right through Ohio during an event that shook the counter culture to the bone and finally delayed the inevitable....the death of the 60's. Problem was there was plenty of disagreement within the movement which caused wide eyed hopefuls such as myself to spent hours arguing semantics and platforms and ideas in those very underground offices!

I rarely talk politics anymore....I feel it's often futile...but:

I challenge anyone to watch these two videos and not see so many similarities to what is going on now and what went on then are not very much the same. Of course now....those violent protests were not seen at the DNC...but....they are all over the country...and even just this morning I watched more of what was happening back then.

Assassinations....First John...then King...then Robert...a few months later...and I was actually there at Lincoln Park on one of those days...I'm from Chicago and the mobster mayor Daily reacted like Al Capone:

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Nixon says he's going to end the war in Vietnam...and goes to Cambodia!

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End result...many democrats moved to the Republican party.... the bums disbanded got married, got jobs and for the most part became the results you see today.

My part was due to seeing my upperclassmen coming back in a box! Fresh outta high school and into war.....I hate war....period.

Why do wars start?

This is grossly oversimplified, but it's basically not much different than robbery. That other country has something we want, let's take it away from them. The "something" can be land, resources, people (to convert to a different religion, for work, etc). The "something" can also be power, if the war-starting country perceives "the other guys" to be powerful, and decides to take them out before they get too powerful. Take a big dose of greed, add in a few dashes of fear, and season with a disregard for human life, and you get the recipe for war.

In that light I got soured on politics and became a shade of existentialist...only every now and then getting my views expressed...

Oh wow....upon looking up something I wrote I noticed someone pinched my post! Have no idea who that is but they could have at lest given me some credit...LOL

https://unhypnotize.com/general-discussion/3425-eight-years-ago.html

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=175697&postcount=117

Nothing but wide eyed optimism to end war...it was futile.

On that note....as far as this election goes....I think both Hillary and Trump are far too dangerous to run this country and it scares the shit out of me!

Today the revolution WAS televised...straight from Milwaukee. What a mess!

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Assange is being attacked by the media. Through his efforts and his people, the groups that have given him support and information, the department of Justice has come back on line and bypassed the conspiratorial elements. The chief prosecutor of New York is trying for a RICO case against the Clinton family...To use an analogy fitting to this thread....RICO is like a woman outweighed being raped who suddenly gets angry and blinded by rage and adrenaline....RICO took out the mob at a time when people thought the mob was untouchable. The strategy will probably take Clinton down and this was brought on line because Assange helped bring in the proof that Comey and his coconspirators would not touch.

Assange is a perfect example of unconventional warfare being employed in a new age of combat. Hackers are socially unacceptable, they are criminals, and go where they are told not to....Good for America! Saying that we will use this internet gift to fight against a recognized evil. As Miller often points out social taboos will get one killed and fast....yes the media would have us question Assage and his motives, the media are part of the conspiracy! By shaming people, stating that hacking is of ill repute and brain washing us to believe that we have to have a winner now, even if the election was stolen, they are playing on social conventions! Sanders fed right into that ruse, whether he was a mark or a plant... "Gee Bernie for the good of the party concede the election to a crook and con artist with a taste for murder." Good boy!

This scenerio is a perfect illustration of what a predator does when he approaches one and violates his/her space to test how much they can get away with by being "sociable." Very few people when they get the vibe will say "No get the fuck away from me or I will scream and bite your nose off!!!" Alas...very few of our citizens were wont to say "No!!! she does not get the stolen election, this is wrong and will not be tolerated." and so the fight went into a different mode with the conspirators getting the upper hand. This is despite so many obvious illegal things done by the Clinton conspirators.

So now it seems with a RICO conviction back on the table, we are in fight mode again...people can be turned and can be deprogrammed to see what is occuring. I am finding it helpful to see where analysis of one of the premier conflict specialists in the world takes us when we consider applying it to a macro struggle for the life and death of this country.

Definitely agree about Assange and he is protected with no guards because he has provisions for all the materials if he is gotten to. It must hurt her to know she can't dissapear him lol.

 

War is one of the main models one can use when evaluating self protection technique and philosophy. Interesting connection would be that Rory Miller studied, and was highly ranked in what is known as a "Koryu." Koryu are the oldest and most unadulterated Japanese Martial Traditions. To be classified as a KoRyu the art has to have a documented lineage transfer going back...ohhh I think it is 300 years. There are very few of these arts...need I make this point? lol.

Most martial artists today interested in combat look at the Koryu as something that nerds and arm chair students study... because in the popular mind set you fight to learn how to fight and the Koryu have a process of learning that does not generally (big caveat here!) allow for free fighting. Koryus also deal extensively with weapons. Now, heres the very interesting thing: Koryu are in fact the only arts in the world with a documented use and execution on the battlefield. In fact the forms in these systems were based on 3 basic things... a) If Joe made it back alive, what techniques did he use and how did he use them? from this forms were created, unlike modern Budo kata, forms in Koryu are two person sets, recreating a conflict with certain emphasis. b) What points did the teacher want to emphasize in the training? the timing, cadence, hidden subtleties, etc. c) Forms were a physical text for the techniques of the art, arrianged and ordered to teach the curriculum of the schools.

Much like the Vedas in India where students turned their heads the same direction based on the syllibuls recited, forms are a way to connect the body with the techniques of the school, which were also written down in texts. MIller makes the point that what is taught now a days as combat is really combat based on the premise of winning a dominance battle. Its not that it is not effective but, when one approaches the Koryu, as some gifted teachers have, including Miller, as having an emphasis on combat exclusively, because that was why they were designed and used....then there is much to learn about combat from these systems! A conclusion I agree with. This would include weapons training which most systems, not all lack today.

So back to your point Shadow: These Koryu were based on the battlefield and indeed when the Vietnam war was lost this country used ALL its resources to fight against this imperialism. And when you then present that video...Well it was the slack shouldered hippies, individuals that would not lift a finger to deal with a violent encounter, who courageously put their asses on the line and helped force the military industrial complex down. A perfect example of a battle field scenerio where America was in a self protection scenerio and used every resource she had! A primary point Rory makes is...one should never, when instructing a student, critiscize a student for thinking creatively in a dire situation. We have parity between the battle fields of South East Asia and a succesful reaction...in this case from a counter culture.
Whatever we "do" we have to realize we are in a fight. Just today it was stated that there will be more investigations of the Clinton foundation....there are people still fighting! thats a great start.

Nice to have you post again Shadow.

 

What can we do?

Hello David,

I was taken by something you explained in the form of combat that reminded me very much of a war and the element of surprise. A survival instinct as opposed to the "monkey dance" was part of how you explained it in part of the self defense and attack stance view. You see with all the massive troops we had...the 'so called enemy' ALWAYS used the element of surprise and quite frankly we got our asses kicked daily by a far smaller enemy! You might remember that war...it was in Vietnam... We can't even say we won that war! Imagine that!

Apologies of America!

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What can we do? I just don't know David....The say the answer is blowin in the wind.

Now I could say a whole lot more....but that's a start eh? Little steps!

Good to see ya Dave!​

 

Ok... so we have a specific level of violence categorized according to an obvious bias and a general level of threat. The first question many will ask here is what can one do? Well, when we employ Miller's paradigm on the individual level and see how it steps up to a more general level threat we may well gain some insight into this question.

Miller maintains that when we decide what level of threat we are comfortable with socially, it becomes a personal inventory of sorts....If I am a beautiful red head who lets a fly out of the house instead of a swat, I will have been socialized differently than if I am a convict who has been fighting since the age of 2. We have to know socially what we will, or will not do, because one general way a predator gains an advantage is to use our social conditioning against us. Miller tells us that to a predator there is no such thing as a fight really, a predator is there because he wants something and needs to take us out, as efficiently and economically as possible, so that he can take what he/she wants.

Politicians always play on our sympathies, our social conditioning. One big way Clinton has played these same chords is because she is a woman. Clinton and her cabal know that putting a woman in that spot plays differently than a Henry Kissinger type! Automatically our social conditioning comes into play and we see shades of progressive values, much the same as what happened with Obama. In essence it is the same response as when a nice dressed sociopath who happened to just get out of jail yesterday, approaches us...our guard is not up initially and in both cases the predator knows, can size up what we are capable of because our social class and conditioning is usually very obvious.

Yet another way predators take advantage of us is whats sometimes called a ramp up...Most of us have to be angry when we are engaged, to fight. You can take the local butcher, a hunter who has hunted his entire life...neither man would be able to, at the drop of a hat, do that activity to another human being. yet one does not have to be ramped up to slaughter another animal for food (if they are a professional, have done it before), and because a predator is a professional sociopath, when he attacks he can do so with the same unattached way a professional butcher would slaughter an animal. This puts the average individual a few steps behind.

During the Clinton campaign the odious ways Clinton has conducted herself have been...well odious! The media has had to constantly manage her image, the information about her, etc. The professional lobbyists know that Clinton inspires anger in people and that if this anger goes beyond a certain point people will fight against her with everything they have.

Miller tries to put people into situations where they can learn what inspires them to act and also to understand cold hard phenomenology: The understanding that we do not need to be inspired, moral justfication, etc to stop another human being from harming us, or another. Legally, socially, and in the darkest recesses of how we were tiolet trained, it has to be understood that when harm is immanent, the only thing we should put in our brains is "put him down, trying to harm! (Miller)"

Again lets tie this into the macro danger we are in: Hillary Clinton is a girl, we don't hit girls! Hillary Clinton's personal actions hummm!!!!??? have they harmed me? let me think about it... This sentence is the socialized voice that gives license for this viscious criminal to act and nothing more. It is our social conditioning speaking subconsciously.. Trump is a perfect plant for Hillary, whether he is one or not lol. he has obvious bullying tendencies, has a real kisser when his orange face scrunches up... that just asks for one!!! We can hit Trump lol! We can very quickly be made to feel anger at Trump. Trump is like the Monkey Dance for most guys...the time when two guys start jawing at each other, walking around and upping the action slowly...first one guy pushes the other guy, then the other guy pushes back etc etc. Anger builds and then it dissopates either through a fight, or as the two slowly disengage the one-upmanship.

The last point is very important to this analysis. Miller tells us that most fights that we find ourselves in are for social dominance. These fights can be avoided and its easy to spot a winner and a loser. One has the luxury, during these contests, to win or lose! Millere differentiates these contests from self protection scenerios where one is fighting to survive. What Miller stresses here is to understand how much the social cues determine the nature of what type of situation we are in, and...that misreading these cues can be fatal. I have a great example.

This example comes from William E. Fairbairn a famed teacher of combatives. Fairbairn would observe what started out (social cues) as honor fights in Vietnam. These fights seemed to all end the same way, and furthermore the villagers seemed blind to the matter of fact way all these contests ended. Inevitably after a few minutes to maybe half an hour, one man would gain the advantage, straddle the other man and beat on him. the man on the bottom would at last pull out a knife, unseen by the straddler on top, and stab the straddler in the kidneys, causing him to die, the winner of the fight. People were blind to the outcome of these fights, and while honor was maintained, the winner and loser, because of great flexability in the social cues for this contest, wound up with a fatality. Pay attention to how blind people were to this outcome. Social cues block a lot. Fairbairn no doubt thought that the killer acted out of impulse and did not necessarily intend to murder the winner.

Miller sees very little ambiguity when making a distinction between the violence involved with displays of social dominance and fighting for our survival. A woman in a rape scenerio, outweighed by her rapist by over 100 pounds is not trying to socially dominate her attacker.... A person being robbed, suddenly attacked furiously by a trained predator, looking for weaknesses to set up this victim, probably has no intention of cuffing the good man, and giving him a shot to the jaw for good measure....In these scenerios the only thing desired by the victims is the ability to forgo all social conditioning (nice girls don't put there fingers in a rapist's eyeballs) and get rid of the threat as quickly as possible, with any means necessary.

I believe we are in a similar situation: if we look back as a society, we can see that many of the tools that protect us have failed! Our Justice department is in on the conspiracy, so is the FBI. We have just broken our hand, and have a concussion and have to fight off the threat. Society has to understand that we need a way to battle this conspiracy, and we have to leave our comfort zone to do so. We cannot use logic and justification to convince people that this criminal will steal the election, will murder others (I believe the count is up to 6 possible murders!) and destroy this country before being forced to leave the election. Many of the situational things that individuals studying self protection and applying the work of a giant in the field I believe we have a very realistic sense of what we are up against.

What can we do? Any suggestions? lol.

 

Sorry had to tend to some business. So...basically this distinction between going into a situation prepared versus not prepared is a distinction I am making...a bias really regarding categorizing conflict regarding self protection.

It seems to me when the bad apples moved in their various agencies, it was done under the radar. Contra shit with ollie North Reagan, boys town, Omaha, Watergate, etc. With Clinton she is basically saying.... I am going to do shit and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

This is a new level of threat and intimidation. This is in your face...it is a distinct change from the danger we have faced before. Everyone she is caught it's not enough to topple this conspiracy....this is a new way of engagement and perhaps the one saving grace is that we know what we are dealing with.

Rory Miller is imo the premier voice and a great martial artist on the field of self protection. I would recommend his first work "medications on violence" as the authority on the types of violence and self protection training.

According to Miller all scenerios involving violence are distinct. Training in a general way helps but we are always a step behind because the predator knows the set up. So let's say with Clinton according to Miller we have the advantage of knowing what she will do, but she is in a sense a new type of evil.

I believe miller's paradigm works well...it gives us a relative assessment for determining advantage disadvantage.

I'll stop here for now.