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Discussion in 'Φ QANON & POLITICS' started by david, Jul 8, 2016.

  1. Rose

    Rose Φ

    It is my opinion concepts and ideas containing pure truth do not require "propaganda style persuasion teqniques". Pure truth sells itself without the necessity of mind control methods designed to lure lulled minds into acceptance. When anyone uses mind control methods to sell me something, I always begin to consider why.

    Yes, I do have a preference for maintaining the personal freedoms of capitalism. I have thought about this extensively. Capitalism was not a system created for those who have abused that system. It is "ideally" a system that would work for small capitalistic entrepreneurship and proper personal ownership. You should not compare one completely "highly idealistic" model that would obviously realistically encounter it's own problems with another model that has been in place with ensuing problems revealed.

    You must also consider the older model in an equally "highly idealistic" manner, as if it were functioning as planned without its present problems, to compare apples with apples. The problems with either system are inevitably the people using it. I still prefer a model in which "All men are created equally with the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I do not prefer a system in which those in control of the system itself own everything and control everyone removing the personal freedoms of individuals from the equation.

    What is the difference in a resource based economy and the control of "Big Brother", other than the assumption that there are no sociopath/psychopaths involved to cause any problems within it? If there were no sociopath/psychopaths other systems would work just fine.
  2. Rose

    Rose Φ

    I agree completely with your first paragraph. But, I do not agree with the second paragraph:

    There is nothing discrediting, belittling and denigrating in having one's ideas compared to a young person who won an award for those ideas. That appears to me to be an ageist comment. As a recipient of a considerable amount of ageist remarks, I dislike them in either direction. I have no real information regarding previous history with David that might be influencing your responses to him. But, I hope we might try to wipe the slate clean, begin anew, and attempt to bestow the benefit of doubt taking what is said literally without consideration of past conflicts.
  3. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    In principle, I agree. You have suggested that Peter Joseph is using "propaganda style persuasion techniques" but without using deception or propaganda. So why does the style matter if the intent is to present the truth?

    Then you should be aware that capitalism and personal freedoms are two separate concepts. We have been brainwashed as Americans to believe they are integrated, when in fact, as demonstrated by our current implementation of capitalism, they are inversely related.

    Quite right.

    My understanding of a resource based economy, which is not very solid at the moment due to my poor recall of the Zeitgeist videos, is that planetary resources are not "owned" but are part of the common wealth. There would be no centralized control ("Big Brother") deciding the allocation or consumption of those resources. Instead, humanity as a whole would have to make those decisions, with input from all.

    As to your second point, without sociopaths in power, other systems would not necessarily all work just fine. All systems are not created equal. For example, one of the major problems of capitalism is the monopoly. It is an inherent flaw in the model that can only be solved by intervention from outside the system.
  4. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    That is the plausible deniability aspect to the game David is playing here. I already knew that was coming, but I expected it from David rather than you. But that simply illustrates how well the plausible deniability aspect works when it is properly constructed. Those not aware of the game will run with it in defense of the game-player, and that is the intent.

    Yes, but it was set up by David who introduced the comparison of me to his young son. There was no reason to bring his son into the discussion. It was a deliberate ploy by David done to play on our emapthy. As a highly empathetic person, you picked up on it right away with great sympathy. This is an example of where your empathy, while normally highly admirable, is a severe weakness in the company of a skilled manipulator.

    You might recall Shadowself doing the same thing when she introduced her deceased son into the discussion. Do you remember how you reacted to that, and how I reacted to that, and how different those reactions were?

    Quite right. It is all documented at United People, where David was dsimon3387, but I understand it would be far too tedious to try to track the development of personalities there, especially since posts cannot be displayed in chronological order (which is a regrettable limitation of the forum software).

    I agree, and this was my default position with David when he appeared here. As you saw from his first post, it was definitely not his default position, but I didn't allow that fact to affect my "clearing the slate". All that has transpired since then, however, has written quite a bit on the new slate that is unmistakably similar to the old slate. At this point, it would be foolish to ignore the old slate when the same patterns are being laid down.
  5. Rose

    Rose Φ

    This is splitting hairs, Chico. When I have time to watch one of his videos again, I will document. I am mostly recalling what I took away from the original Zietgeist and reading the material Gemma just presented. But, basically, prefacing information with a comment like no human begin can possibly think objectively equates with "you are getting sleepy, very very sleepy, you don't need to pay complete attention to what I am saying, you will believe this anyway, etc etc. Take a look at the structure of his rhetoric.
  6. david

    david Member

    Actually I was ignoring you lol. Ahhh the inevitable moment where my dear friend Chickadoo has his feewings hurted because someone is unaffected by his posts. and then.... the person becomes a mean vile sociopath....ahhhh! But Chick is right!!! they are all around those sociopaths! insulting the sock puppet boys down at United... chick, chick and chick...the four members in good standing, in government, in the walls listening...everywhere. But my dear friend Chickadoo probably forgot that I already declared myself a sociopath....a mean, evil, ruthless, power hungry one.... I guess my tendencies got the best of me, insulting my dear friend...can I just abreviate to doo doo? I ignored you to control your behavior, a pox on my ancestors...then again I guess if I didn't ignore you I would also be controlling your behavior? lol poor doo doo, quite the simp really.

    You tend to want confirmation bias but, you don't even really know what a sociopath is yet doo doo, that would be a good start, take it from your good friend. you have been calling people sociopaths for how long? the problem with confirmation bias is that there is no alternative...You are not capable of making a distinction between someone whom you dislike, or think about a certain way, and a sociopath dear doo doo. Thats why your comments tend to be so annoying after a while. You basically simply want a world where there is you, and those who agree with you...and the mean nasty sociopaths.

    Dear doo doo so sorry to say most of us have figured out that the world does not work that way...usually around our 5th birthday actually. Sorry that I ignored you for a post, hope it was not traumatic, obviously you felt violated by this and need my attention so here I am doo doo what can I do for you?

    Culture, education, propoganda are tools that people use and some people are sociopaths. Does that help? You don't need me to denigrate you doo doo you do a fine job yourself. Anyhow I am here for you.

    That mean sociopath
  7. david

    david Member

    Rose I don't know why Doo Doo thinks me wanting to introduce my son's video revolves around him...Sociopaths often do think every act is to discredit them....but in any case I will get you the file. I am introducing the film because it is a great piece and it deals with the topic at hand. Doo doo should like it actually... a shame he has already decided that it is there to shame him...I would never compare him to my 18 year old! My eighteen year old is too smart for that! Just kidding! Will get you the film and you will see why it makes sense for inclusion in this discussion regarding our overlords.
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  8. Rose

    Rose Φ

    ok. After this last post, ! will express no further opinions about any interactions between Chico and David. I would suggest starting an "anything goes" thread in Forum Warriors, but truthfully, I have little hope even that would solve this apparent longstanding grudge match. Perhaps ignoring is the only solution?
  9. Rose

    Rose Φ

    In my opinion the cause of monopolies is all consuming greed and lack of concern for others, a sociopathic trait. Would not your plan of getting rid of sociopaths in power, get rid of the cause of monopolies? If not, non-sociopathic legistators could trustbust again from inside the system. Don't forget no system will ever be trouble free with greedy individuals in existence.
  10. david

    david Member

    Tried that....even gave him the last word. Its also mind boggling that he could take the film entree as directed towards him lol. Sorry that cracks me up. Chick is actually my dear friend, love him like a brother.
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