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After overseeing the votes to impeach President Trump Wednesday night, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has a few next steps to take: naming impeachment managers to make her case in the Senate and transmitting the approved articles of impeachment to that upper chamber.
Except, Pelosi announced at a press conference after the votes, she’s not going to do either of those things just yet.
Voicing concern about Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s willingness to hold a fair trial, Pelosi announced for the first time that she might not, in fact, be in a rush to send the articles of impeachment over to the Senate. She said instead she wanted to hear more about how the Senate planned to conduct the trial first.
“We cannot name managers until we see what the process is on the Senate side,” Pelosi said. (Impeachment managers are members of the House who will serve, essentially, as prosecutors against Trump in the Senate trial. And to be clear, Pelosi technically can name them now; she is making a strategic decision not to do it yet.)
The move is an apparent adoption of an unusual strategy backed by Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe in a recent Washington Post op-ed — that Democrats should impeach Trump, but hold back on sending the articles to the Senate, to avoid a hasty acquittal or dismissal of the charges engineered by McConnell.
At the press conference, Pelosi criticized comments McConnell made on Fox News last week that suggested he was very much in the tank for Trump. “Everything I do during this, I’m coordinating with the White House counsel,” McConnell said then. “There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this.
“It’s up to the senators to make their own decision working together” on how to run the trial, Pelosi said. “Hopefully in recognition that there are witnesses the president withheld from us, there are documents the president withheld from us, and I would hope that information would be available to go to a trial, to the next step.”
Asked if she could guarantee she’d send over the impeachment articles to the Senate at all, Pelosi said, “That would have been our intention, but we’ll see what happens over there.” She also said she hopes she’ll get more information from the Senate “soon.”
It’s an intriguing move. But what, exactly it will mean in practice is very far from clear. Practically, other legal experts aren’t sure Pelosi can really put off a trial in the Senate now that the House has voted to impeach Trump — the Senate could arguably just choose to begin it without her say-so.
This is apparently an attempt to play hardball with McConnell to get him to agree to a fairer process. But it’s unclear whether Pelosi truly does have any leverage over McConnell and Senate Republicans, the key decision makers here. They’re not necessarily eager to hold this trial. And while President Trump surely wants to be officially “acquitted,” he likely wouldn’t want to make any concessions to Democrats to get there.
At a news conference held immediately after the vote, Pelosi said “we’ll see what happens” when asked if she would send the articles to the Senate. She said that House Democrats could not name impeachment managers — House prosecutors who make the case in a Senate trial — until they know more about how the Senate will conduct a trial.
Pelosi made the comments after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell rejected a proposal earlier this week from Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer to call several witnesses. The GOP-led Senate is expected to acquit Trump.
Asked if she could guarantee she would send the articles, she said “that would have been our intention” but that they will see what the Senate decides.
She said: “We are not having that discussion, we have done what we set out to do.”
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I'm watching this right now and I think people may find it interesting.
McConnell Remarks on House Democrats’ Impeachment of President Trump
It's getting shared a lot on Twitter.
I don't know how you feel, but I feel a bit deluged with information.
And I don't think we're at the Avalanche level, yet.
It's been helpful to me to have the Q back channel of information to keep perspective.
I feel much better about last night after listening to this, today.
THAT’S ALL THEY GOT! HAS TRUMP BEEN LIBERATED?
We watched the impeachment debate and nearly every Democrat used the same argument.
President Trump was a ‘tyrant’ who abused his power for personal gain.
He used a foreign country to help him ‘interfere’ with our election process.
He was a threat to our ‘democracy.’
The Democrats also claimed Trump obstructed Congress by refusing to cooperate with their witch-hunt.
They used the word ‘solemn’ a lot in combination with the word ‘duty.’
They talked about the founding fathers and how they swore oaths to defend the Constitution. Impeachment was equated with that defense.
They sanctimoniously talked about how they wouldn’t be able to face their grandchildren unless they did the right thing and that was voting for impeachment.
Unlike Clinton’s impeachment, the House vote was evenly split along party lines. The Democrats control the House, so Trump was impeached. It was as simple as that. CNN tried to act somber, but they were nearly bursting with joy. CNN said Trump could never escape the black mark of impeachment. He will go down in history as only our third impeached president. They claimed Trump was red faced with anger and implied he might be breaking down. One ‘journalist’ kept saying his behavior was ‘disgraceful.’ The Democrats finally got him, but they couldn’t really celebrate.
They had to pretend to be sad. Solemn. Pelosi even wore black and glared at the Democrats cheering after Article One passed. It was almost comical.
Trump will be acquitted in the Senate, but for now partisan politics have triumphed over facts. The Democrats’ self-proclaimed love of the Constitution rang hollow. They liked that it allowed them impeach an equal branch of the government, but on other issues the Democrats continue to show a deep contempt for our Constitution.
Democrats have no problem grabbing guns in violation of the 2nd Amendment. They enjoy quelling the free speech of conservatives and enabling a bloated government to trample on our 4th Amendment.
Democrats also want to do away with The Electoral College, which they see as an impediment to big city Democratic rule over the red rural states.
The Democrats are the real tyrants and their Impeachment was a slap in the face to everyone who voted for Trump. They want to nullify his presidency. In a way, the Democrats are the ones interfering with our elections.
The Deep State Swamp, the globalists, and Democrat Party simply could not accept that Trump won in 2016. Their impeachment witch-hunt will only help Trump win in 2020.
“The Solemn Democrats”
The Democrat Party reluctantly called for the impeachment of Donald Trump. With collectivist heavy hearts, they each made very similar speeches that detailed how the president abused his power. They all frequently used the words ‘our solemn duty.’
Sure, Trump may have claimed he was merely carrying out his sworn duty to prevent corruption and everyone knows he broke no law. Still, the Democrats had to do something. So they did. They voted for impeachment with tears in their eyes and a dirge in their somber hearts.
Nancy Pelosi has a great love for President Trump—we know this because she angrily told us. She donned a black outfit and mourned the fact that she had to lead the impeachment of a lawfully-elected president. Her resolve and laudable character were on display. Americans should be proud of her conduct. After all, she knows better than millions of voters. In her wisdom she led her fellow Democrats to do the right thing despite their strong anti-impeachment bias.
The Democrats cast their solemn votes in spite of their reluctance. It was a dark day for all Americans, but they had to do it. They did it for the children.