Ohwell Solves the Puzzle

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Does the crow stabbing at the "string" wrapped around the box on the bench mean anything to you, Brook?

Ahhh...yes.....check this out:


Einstein kills Schrödinger’s cat: Relativity ruins quantum world
The same quirk of general relativity that means your head ages faster than your feet may mean we have to go to space to see large-scale quantum mechanics in action


Being in two places at the same time isn’t easy for mere humans (Image: Chen Liu/EyeEm/Getty)

It’s been holding us back as well as holding us down. A previously overlooked effect of gravity on quantum systems could be messing up quantum experiments. If confirmed, it suggests that some quantum studies may be impossible to perform on Earth.

No matter how hard you try, you can’t be in two places at once. But if you’re an electron, popping up in multiple places is a way of life. The laws of quantum mechanics tell us that subatomic particles exist in this superposition of states until they are measured and found to be in just one – when their wave function collapses.

Chasing cats
So why can’t we do the same party trick as an electron? It seems that once something gets large enough, it loses its quantum properties, a process known as decoherence. That’s mainly because larger objects interact with their environment, which forces them into one position or another. Erwin Schrödinger famously pointed out the absurdity of large-scale superposition with the example of a cat that is both dead and alive.


But that hasn’t stopped physicists from trying quantum experiments by isolating objects from external influences. In 2010, a team at the University of California, Santa Barbara, placed a strip of metal 60 micrometres long into a superposition for a few nanoseconds, cooling it to just above absolute zero to shield it from temperature fluctuations.

The hope is that more precise experiments could place larger objects, such as a virus, into a superposition, getting us closer to Schrödinger’s mythical cat. But now it looks like there is a more fundamental obstacle: gravity.

In the gravitational field
General relativity, Albert Einstein’s sweeping reassessment of gravity that celebrates its centenary this year, tends to be ignored by quantum physicists. “Usually people don’t look much at it because gravity acts on very large scales,” says Igor Pikovski of Harvard University. “They think there are probably not many effects that are relevant.”

Now Pikovski and his colleagues have calculated what happens when you do quantum experiments in Earth’s gravitational field. They say a quirk of relativity called time dilation could be making large systems lose their quantum nature.

One of Einstein’s predictions is that gravity slows down time. For massive objects, the effect can be extreme, as shown in the film Interstellar, where an hour on a planet orbiting a black hole is equivalent to seven years on Earth.

But it also affects you. Lab experiments with atomic clocks have revealed that your head ages slightly faster than your feet, because of the tiny differences in gravitational field strength.

Pikovski’s calculations show that molecules placed in a superposition should also experience this time difference, and it can disrupt their quantum state. This happens because the bonds between atoms in a molecule act like springs and constantly vibrate. If a molecule is in a superposition of two states that are at different heights from the ground, each state will vibrate at a different rate, destroying the superposition.

Height matters
Decoherence happens faster as more particles are added to the system. For example, take an experiment attempting to place 1 gram of carbon – about 1023 atoms – in a superposition of two states. If they could be separated vertically by 1 micrometre, Pikovski says Earth’s gravitational field will cause the experiment to decohere in a millisecond, even if nothing else interferes. “Even completely isolated systems are somehow affected by their own composition,” he says.

This doesn’t happen to smaller particles like electrons, because they don’t have moving parts, so are unaffected by time dilation, which explains why they happily remain in superposition until we measure them.

For the moment, Pikovski’s idea remains theoretical, but he says it could be tested with atomic clocks, which use the regular frequencies of energy emitted by atoms to keep time. If you could place an atomic clock in a vertical superposition, it would tick at two rates simultaneously, forcing it to decohere.

“This effect is relatively small, so the equipment needs to be a little better than currently,” says Pikovski, but he thinks it could be done within a few years.


“I think it’s brilliant, I love it,” says Andrew Briggs of the University of Oxford. He is working on tests of large-scale superposition involving vibrating nanotubes, and thinks he might be able to adapt his experiment to test Pikovski’s theory. “If it is right, it might be a serious contribution to the mismatch between our everyday experience and the exquisitely tested theory of quantum mechanics.”

Leaving Earth behind
If the effect is confirmed, it suggests that physicists may have to leave the clutches of Earth’s gravity to perform extreme quantum experiments.

“It would probably be easier to do a quantum experiment of large systems on the moon or in space than it is on Earth,” says Pikovski, because lower gravity would slow decoherence. “If people really want to do macroscopic superposition, eventually you will have to go to space.”

“Wouldn’t that be nice?” says Briggs. “We might get some of my bench-top experiments out into orbit.” One location could be the International Space Station, where astronauts already run low-gravity experiments.

But others aren’t convinced. “It is a tiny effect and I don’t think it will force us into space any time soon,” says Sabine Hossenfelder of the Nordic Institute for Theoretical Physics in Stockholm, Sweden. The effect is orders of magnitude below what could affect current experiments, she says.

Observers everywhere
Doing experiments in space has its own issues, says Ruxandra Bondarescu of the University of Zurich, Switzerland. Working in low gravity is difficult, expensive and equipment must be hardened against cosmic radiation, but it’s not totally unreasonable, she says. “Maybe in the future, the dominant effect will be quantum decoherence due to gravity.”

Time dilation could also solve a thorny philosophical issue. Some physicists worry that quantum mechanics requires a conscious observer to collapse a wave function. Would a quantum cat in a box stay both dead and alive forever if no one checked on it? Could the cat itself collapse the wave function?

Gravitational decoherence solves the issue, says Pikovski. Even if you perfectly isolated a system from the effects that cause decoherence normally, gravity’s effect on the cat would collapse the system. “Time dilation induces this kind of observer,” he says.

Preserving the superposition
But this doesn’t entirely remove the problem, says Tim Ralph of the University of Queensland in Australia. There should be no time dilation if both states are at the same height. “In principle, it is still possible to preserve a superposition if sufficient control over the quantum systems can be achieved,” he says.

Thinking more about how gravity and quantum effects interact, as Pikovski’s team has done, could lead to the ultimate prize in modern physics. The mathematics behind general relativity and quantum mechanics produce nonsense solutions in situations where both are important, like the singularity at the heart of a black hole.

Those attempting to develop a unified theory of quantum gravity study how the maths breaks and try to fix it, but struggle to do experiments to confirm their ideas – black holes are hard to come by in the lab.

“This approach can contribute to a better understanding of the interplay between quantum mechanics and gravity,” says Pikovski. “It allows you to build up understanding of phenomena that take place where both theories really matter.”

The work may be about how quantum physics and gravity work together, but that doesn’t mean it’s a route to a theory of everything, says Carlo Rovelli of Aix-Marseille University, France. “Quantum gravity refers to the quantum properties of space-time, not the quantum behaviour of matter in space-time, which is something for which we have perfectly credible theories,” he says.

But Ralph thinks it is a good start. “The predicted effect does combine quantum mechanics and general relativity in a non-trivial way,” he says. “There are virtually no experiments so far that test whether this way of doing calculations is correct, thus experiments testing these sorts of predictions are very important – even if they just confirm that we are on the right track.”

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Seems Dale has bee doing his homework!

Wait till you see what I found Dale.....

 

Stephen insisted that Dale and I and he set up a three way skype and discuss some of my "research". The skype was set up but I never used it. Stephen gave me two things to research. I never got back to him. But it's very easy to see what he's referring to.





The last conversation I ever had with Dale in that three way skype I told him to brush up on his physics. I suppose he did.

 

Here we go loop de loo , here we go loop de la ,

 

Thank you for bumping this @Rose !
I read the riddle again... and I remembered this...
Forget Everything And Remember?
"The box contains everything" and, "everything flows through the string."
Poetic.

 

No,
But I know of two that are operational and functioning, I think .
Well was for a while defo.
A different, and again interesting subject,
But no, this is far more unusual.
The main reason it is unusual , is who is watching and involved ,, the constant struggle of keeping it quiet..

I have discovered an operation called "long shanks"
I have followed them , taken pictures , not just me obviously...

But some time ago, I was walking in the woods as you do ,

But I had my bits with me, because I wasn't walking in the woods like ya do, lol.

Anyway I was seen and they caught me...
I managed to get my sd card out of the camera, and stick in my tainter...lol.

Then stick my spare in , all right under there nose as the were questioning me.
Which was done right there, next to a Saracen.
They of course realised what I had done...the card in the camera was blank , just formatted, so they knew I had secreted some fin lol..
When I was being taken to the car, I managed to leg it , and jump straight into a totally freezing fucking river...got across the other side , then promptly got caught , told off for being silly and then taken back..
But no sd card, lol.

So I have pics , everyone knows I have, and they are reading right now...
So I'm not in trouble because I did nothing wrong it was a public place , I didn't resist, and my swim made them more nervous than me...lol..
It was a very stupid thing to do...I do feel rather daft....
And they were of course quite right , about the irresponsible nature of my actions...etc...
But I am a prat, so ya know,lol.

So no hard feelings guys , thanks for the tea and that,
The chaps that got me were very polite and professional..

I'm in no trouble because I'm registered as a journalist (obviously) so there it is...
So I'm very safe , lol.
Cause I know how to store said info, and it will be a fiasco , if a false arrest was made, plus , they don't do that, it's a fantasy...
No one gets bumped of by them,
That's the first way I know a fantasist, sure that shit happens "sometimes" but if you look into it , there is more, it's usually some nutcase that does that, and NO ONE...likes a nutcase eh...
Would you even drive in a car with someone that would work like that, no...be sensible...nutters and work related deaths due to all sorts are common in every walk of life...
Not to say, sometimes things get out of hand , but stakes are high with these boys, and to be quite frank , I don't like to annoy them with stupid shit about the stuff we talk about, cos they have real problems...

They have serious people to keep track off, and I don't like wasting there time...
Hence me always saying , don't worry about me, I won't do anything silly, but I will take pics about subjects we are all enthral led with...
They agree , did you know that , orders are orders, but people have a personal opinion,

So it's complicated , I can assure you what I have read in the UFOlolgy community while being interesting and such , is of the track , quite a bit..
And loveys that "talk to the aliens "
Are what you would expect...
This is obvious to me, as , well it is..

That's why I don't care about what others tell me is the truth , they get very annoyed when I just don't care and dismiss it...
Well wouldn't you.....
And wouldn't you if you knew something for a fact, wouldn't you take the piss and laugh...
And you have to ask yourself, how desperate are the people involved to cover something up if they don't even cause me hassle knowing what I got....

No it's mostly hype fantasy and so on to sell a book .....then you go to the retreat , and shine ya laser pens and meditate..

Fuckin embarrassing , truly...
We look like total idiots...
Like a bunch of grass skirt wearing twats standing on a volcano chanting in some bad b movie...

Also how serious is a community that finds something and then when it docent fit with the line THEY SUPPRESS IT ,,

I was cracking up as were my mates ,
We told them , they were wrong and why...
They didn't come back and say tell me why, no..
They disinformation it all over lol...
So Ironicaly suppressed by the community for sake of there embarrassment...

Think about it...
Think about human nature...
What I say is verbatim what happened...so far...
Now , it gets busy soon.....
Not two years away at all, it gets busy before then , and I know where , and what's more , I ain't being dogged by anyone, I have received no threats from officials , no one has even been rude...
In fact I'm the dick that jumped in the river like a prick....
Soooo..
I go on from here , in a private area , because of the said idiot ufologists..

Sorry , but it's not my fault , it's human natures...

So if you want to be involved with this place, you will be checked your not a nutter from some weird site that's out the loop and selling something or some no one...

As I said , no stage....
No book....

No donations...
Just the truth , for brains that can handle it.

Maybe as I plan...to be accepted.
Calmly, with an understanding of responsibility to the people around us....given the magnitude of the situation...
And no , if I put anything here, that would be stupid and go against everything I just said...
So why would I do that...
However, I will be , at some point sending what I have to you, if you are someone with a brain instead of a line in shit to sell...
Cos they all do it, the say they have to to fund there thing,,

BOLLOCKS,

I work hard and support my own shit...
So does rosé..
So does rhi...
So does dale..
We all work , support ourselves ...
And still do the thing we want to...

And , it will be true...

So fuck off freeloading twats with ya bullshit theory's and whacko products to sell...
Your dogshit...ok ....your total dogshit...
And you fuck the people , the way you say the POWERS that be do.....
You learned from them after all eh!

Nice to see you James , hope no strange men have been hassling you..lately...
They won't anymore , not now..

Also , glad you have come away from that stench......
If you haven't , you are not going to talk to me again....
Simple...
Good..

 

Just for a moment ...
Let's suspend the status


Let's click our fingers and all be floating in the black , with light lighting us from no where


We float all looking at each other


Let's say....I am , actually aware of something...

And in my mad research and my total disregard for anything cos I'm nutz....
I also have money...I went and started doing my own thing with others with money to find out what was going on....

So as we float with our freinds in disbelief and nah it is the intrawebs...
He is a laugh, it is fun....blah blah blah...I'm the first to agree...the first to say go back to your life , work comes first your kids do...
I don't want anything as we float?

Curious


Now if you had money , and you got in a group....
Then you said let's find out what circles are what....and why...
And let's watch properly, what EVERYONE is doing...
The thing is about floating and being quiet and that....you don't get noticed by things that you cannot hurt....the thing will ignore you...maybe scratch the itch....
Wel, I made sure I was just an itch..,and it didn't see me see it...

I got pics of , things that explain a lot , without doubt...
Put organisations in the complicit bag...of deceit...and such...

I was the natural choice in our group , cos I'm mad....and I had cancer.

But my mates didn't know that....

I did , so I REALLY didn't care lol...
So what I found is ............

Well . It's it..

And I am aware of something coming up, which I spoke about , and all have forgot as ramblings of the entertainer....
Sweet..
Expected...

So .....lol...
What now , can you figure it out,, you have to have been present the whole time and listened , so that's all but a few out the running with a chance of getting us there...

But I will answer the right question , I promise...
It's time

 

Could you really after all this time actually be at the stage the whole fucking community wants to be at...
Nah

Surely not , that happens to other people not you...
A long time ago I said


Watch what you right , it may be studied...later...

 

thank you and thank you!

now that we don't have a little dog biting at our ankles, we can carry on with our conversation
lol

ATTICUS states the answer is a number of days to something being received

to receive something implies something is being sent, which would require a sender

and this sender would have to be quite far away
if a countdown is occurring with almost three years remaining
and not knowing how many days have already past since the countdown began
one could reach at a conclusion that something is being sent from very,very far away by someone very,very far away
and that whatever is being sent is anticipated enough that someone has started a countdown until it is received
which means it must be traveling at a constant speed
from very,very far away
to calculate such a countdown

curious!

 

Very well done, Dale!




I’m soooo impressed with you… flaggergasted1 .... (being totally useless at maths myself, )

 

Ok much deliberation is needed...
Once some time ago I through out some symbols characters....
This was just an effort to explain something else, ancillary .

It turned out to get me in shit for ages...

I mean I'm used to being in shit....but , ya know....come on..

I don't want a situation of that nature and frankly I didn't think you would get it this quick , so I hopping....
A bit.

The amount of days is a countdown...
To something being received.

 

thank you ATTICUS

 

Yeah alright al right ... Ffs ,

Wait a minute or two, surely after all this time..

 

I would like a moment to think , if you don't mind.
And your right of course, you do deserve an answer in some way...
And the name was really in many ways more intrepid than this....
You knew this was a puzzle...
I was actualy more impressed with you , when you spotted a puzzle that you were jot alerted to

 

or 2.754908675799097 years

 

Sorry didn't see that

 

Good dale good..shakhan

 

Now you know why my poetry is shit, you try rhyming with numbes that big REALTIMEREALTIME


Now the posts elsewhere, there the doozy

The reward is the key


But it won't be found until another is

As the great spike said...

Spring is sprung the grass is ris, I wonder where the birdies is.

 

1. 1,005.541666666667 days

 

Ok, so you have the 24

So a day....

1. 1,005.541666666667

 

good question

at the time and of all the numbers i tried, 24 was the only one that lead to 67 appearing twice in the resulting sequence

and being it's the amount of hours in a day

it seemed thrice logical

 

I think your right , trust what you did , you got there

If the characters work out , well........

Say it

 

Come on, lol how did you get to 24

Twice I asked

 

Hold on you did, why did you get to 24 , rather where did you get that, that is the hard one...

Explain, no fobbing , thanks