Sociopaths / Psychopaths

It's a very valid concern, and it is typically the first conclusion people reach when they realize how dominant the ruling sociopaths are. But things can change quickly. A few snowflakes can shift, and the next thing you know, it is the avalanche that dominates.

 

I won't give up... seems the baby in my home (my grand daughter) had a virus and that I must have gotten a touch of it and, well... that played a role in my two day despair... it will turn... I feel silly I expressed about it... this is just how I am on forums - always very open and honest and... things swing.

 

The Borg tell you right away that resistance is futile. Why do you think they have to tell you this? If resistance was indeed futile, why would they waste their breath talking to you about it?

The answer, of course, is that resistance is NOT futile. It is the one and only thing that will stop the Borg. The Borg know it. Though they hide it well, they fear resistance. All of their mind control techniques are directed at making you believe resistance is futile. It is a grand deception and manipulation. It is not the truth. The truth is not on their side. It is on ours.

The truth is that most people are good because their psychology is rich in empathy. They find unfairness, injustice, inequality, slavery, and evil itself revolting. The source of all of those things, including evil itself, is primarily from the minds of sociopaths. And the majority of humans despise the rancid fruits that flow from the minds of sociopaths, once they can see past the deception and realize the true intent behind the pretty façade.

As long as there is resistance, the sociopaths cannot win.

For millennia sociopaths have wreaked havoc on humanity, yet still, to this day, they scheme and conspire to try to win the game. To this day, they have not won. It is a game to them, and they must win, but they cannot win until all resistance has been overcome.

For the non-sociopaths, it is not a game, so winning is not the goal. They don't have to win. They need only resist, and that is unavoidable, precisely because they have empathy. Empathy will cause them to always resist evil.

The mind control is there to impair resistance. The effort to mold humanity in the image of the sociopath is there to diminish resistance. "Problem, reaction, solution" is there to do an end-run around resistance. None of these things will work in the long run. The best the sociopaths will ever manage is a kind of stalemate, or a Lose-Lose scenario where they destroy everything, including themselves.

Non-sociopaths are capable of much more. They can work with truth, right out in the open! They can envision a Win-Win scenario where everyone can prosper, even sociopaths. It is conceivable to me that sociopaths might even realize that very fact for themselves, that it is actually in their best interests to be disqualified from positions of power and control. They might even team up with non-sociopaths to make it happen.

Wouldn't that be a surprise!

 

I know that there is a ruling elite that rules over much if not all Earth at this time. No assumption... its a known reality. I also know that much of this elite has their own "religion(s)" which they believe in. It does not matter if what they believe in is self deluded BS... that they believe in what they believe in fuels their drives.

That they feel entitled and that they feel less (or no) limits as to what they are willing to do to gain for themselves and their immediate group (such as their immediate families and perhaps a few like minded potential cronies). That they see the opportunity to collude with these folks and do so in secret while also protecting each other (up to a point). They cover almost every important industry, service, political position, military position, religious authority position, media pundit position, high profile via films, sports, tv, writing where they either are consciously a part of the global scam OR they see they have too much to lose to risk listening to any glimmer of conscience they might have and almost everyone on Earth follows exactly what all these folks tell them to think, speak and do.

The few that actually do speak up like a few here on this forum... seriously... who actually even see the comments? Of those, who actually reads them with an open mind. Sure... the few (like myself) whose already there but other than maybe a few who might monitor a site like this just in case 4 or 5 people start to open their mind instead of the one or two... then you, or I or whoever maybe becomes a perceived threat.

Please, show me how the ballgame is not long over? This last research project of mine... the study of the sociopath... coupled with some common sense...

ballgame over.

Each time I look at another drop, I see the several dozen I don't have time to look at. One person has to know every single thing about everything just to have any shot to see the BS from the beginning. How realistic is this?

Imagine I had gotten all twisted up over some silly goofy minded story teller and the few followers. What an idiot I was. I bought the distraction just like I was supposed to. I am just another human idiot.

I am sorry I am NOT in a very good or optimistic mood.

 

Sam, don't allow yourself to oversimplify like that. It is premature to "give up" based on such sparse information. Things are more complex than we can fathom.

True, but like all things, lacking limits can also be a disadvantage. There are pros and cons to everything, and they change based on the situation.

For example, you are certain that from a couple of "if" statements, there is an inevitable conclusion, and so you feel like giving up. I, on the other hand, am not certain of the inevitability of that conclusion. I know things are much more complex than we can fathom. I know surprises happen all the time. I know human beings aren't very bright, whether they are "normal" or sociopathic. I also know human beings are sometimes incredibly bright, awesome beyond imagination. Because of you, I read the Wiki article on solitons today, and I was thinking "What the hell are they talking about?" I hadn't heard of 90% of that stuff. I found myself thinking that what we know as humans, compared to what we don't know, is like a drop of water compared to all the water on the planet. I could say "There's too much to learn, I give up." Or I could say "I want to learn about another drop." Look at the huge difference between those two perspectives. And notice that it is only a matter of perception. Changing the way you look at things changes the way things look.

 

Based on the fact that a sociopath/psychopath does not have the self imposed limits those with conscience do gives them an advantage. If the sociopath/psychopath believes they live beyond the death of their body... that their essence survives to live again in future bodies, and if they interbreed while acquiring wealth and power in each generation... assuming also there's a genetic component as well, then the outcome is inevitable unless there's some new and unexpected component that might enter the picture which could change the course.

I see it pretty much hopeless now. I can only advise my family not to have children, not to bring any more beings into bodies on this planet at this time.

I give up.

 

I was concentrating on the "necessary to counteract" part of your question (the action), which is what immediately rendered it false from my perspective. Reducing our morality and reducing our numbers are independent agendas, though both are intended to enhance the power and control the organized sociopaths have over us.

 

Another caution regarding this book. I have reason to suspect Chomsky is to some extent "controlled opposition". His exposure of the deception and manipulation coming from the mainstream media is far less damning than it should be. It is what is known as a "limited hangout", designed to be somewhat legitimate but actually soften the condemnation that is truly merited towards the mainstream media. After all, the message is delivered to you in this book with the support and blessings of the mainstream media, so it can't be all that accurate or damaging towards that very same organization.

Bartlett was my college professor for Physics 101 and 102 at the University of Colorado during the 1973-1974 school year. He was an excellent teacher -- succinct, knowledgeable, well-prepared, helpful, and approachable. I sometimes sought him out for clarification of difficult concepts in physics, and it paid off. His course was known as one of the toughest on campus, and I received the elusive "A" grade for both semesters. I also attended his public lectures on population growth and the exponential function, which should be required education for everyone. There is no positive growth rate that is sustainable, yet our economy rests on both steady growth and steady inflation, which is pure deception and manipulation.

Heck no. They don't do anything to benefit the common good. They do everything to benefit themselves at our expense. Corrupting normal morality and reducing our numbers are both done independently for their benefit.

You are not wrong. Sustaining or even growing our happiness is not a genuine concern in the ruling sociopaths' agenda. Our happiness is not the goal. Their satisfaction is.

 

Let me add a caution on this book. While it offers pretty good insight into the motivations of sociopaths, it may be because the author, Thomas Sheridan, is a sociopath himself (!). Note that being a sociopath does not necessarily invalidate the observations contained in the book. Confessions of a Sociopath is admittedly written by a sociopath and also contains valid observations of sociopathic behavior from an "insider's" perspective, so to speak. Thomas Sheridan, however, pretends to be a "normal" person, but I did extensive research on him and came across many reasons to believe he may very well be a sociopath. Even so, I learned a good deal from him, and I still listen to what he has to say.

Did I mention that this is a complicated world, and that it is useful to question everything and dismiss nothing? This is just one simple example of why.

By the way, I have commented on both books and both authors at United People multiple times, but I'm not going to bother with links back to those comments this time around. You can search for them just as easily(?) as I can.

 

I was no longer able to live with myself while holding a double standard. That is what changed. I think they call this "having a conscience." If I had continued as I had, I probably would have ended up dead from suicide. Instead I accepted my standards for myself and in this particular regard. Of course, other character flaws have emerged and in some cases I have dealt with them satisfactorily and in other cases the jury is still out.

 

I realize that, but it doesn't tell me how your views changed. And like I said, I can't assume to know how they've changed. Only Sam Hunter is privy to that, if anyone is.

Well of course there are signs of sociopathy in so many people now. Like I said, for the past 100 years, the ruling sociopaths have been engineering society to shift behaviors towards the sociopathic end of the bell curve, to mold us in their image. They have done a good job of it, too. As to how to deal with it, I agree with you, withdrawal is not an option. The first step in dealing with it is to see the engineered behaviors and understand how and why it was done. You are beginning to do that now, which is very good. The next step is to help others understand what is happening. When a critical mass is reached, things will change for the better. That is the power of truth.

 

wow - I ordered it too - just could not resist. I don't do electronic books... Amazon too - with tax just over $17 haha

 

Hi Chico, I knew then that you didn't write it that way for any personal slight. I also understand you better and better as I see you really try not to assume. Here again I felt it was implicit in the fact that these false (flawed) beliefs resulted in a meltdown that I then resurrected from. I wouldn't be here now if I had not changed my view.

I am starting to get concerned about another form of experience I am beginning to have. I see sociopathic signs in so many folks now. Most are probably not bona-fide sociopaths. So I am struggling as to how to deal with this. Withdrawal isn't attractive as that bugs me inside (I don't like to give up on folks) and also withdrawal reduces relationships. Because my world view doesn't have reasons to be fearful, the only choice for me is to continue to take risks. So again, and only with hindsight, will I be able to see something I did as "poor judgment" or... the rarer but far more rewarding result... that it was a risk worth taking. There's no black and white in any of this.

 

I have a few observations concerning the Shezbeth / Yaksuit conversation here.

Shezbeth makes sure (at least twice that I noticed) that he praises Yaksuit for his "astute" observations. While this might be seen as being polite and accommodating by a person of empathy, that is not Shezbeth's intent. This is instead a standard manipulation practice sociopaths use, i.e. "buttering up" the potential "mark".

At 16:25, Shezbeth explains how he is well versed in the "manipulation of the individual". This is followed immediately by an explanation of why Shezbeth projects the ninja image, which he frankly admits is completely fraudulent. But it is good for manipulating others!

At 17:42, Shezbeth admits to lying about a "telepathic communication". Again, he is duplicitous because it is useful for deceiving and manipulating others.

At 18:02, Shezbeth says metaphysics is a "minefield", i.e. full of duplicity. This is revealing from a person whose main thread is supposedly about metaphysics but is mostly about himself.

At 22:30, Shezbeth admits to a "sour" perspective of others. This comes after his condescending comments about others being sucked into cell phones and social media, which Shezbeth implies he is clearly above. His superiority complex is expressing itself here.

Do I still see evidence that Shezbeth is a sociopath in this interview done well before I arrived in this forum? You bet your booties. It's amazing how it is right in your face, yet we tend to miss it completely. Even I was mostly oblivious to it on my initial hearing of the conversation. A second listen concentrating on the "strangeness factors" brought it into focus. Yes, sociopaths are puzzling people for the rest of us. If we pay more attention to those puzzling moments, instead of just dismissing them, we can learn to see more clearly.

 

The belief you expressed is a flawed belief, even today. That's why I used present tense. Plus, I was only commenting on that particular belief that you described, and not on your current beliefs, which were not described in much detail. Since it wasn't clear to me how your beliefs have evolved, I couldn't just assume your prior beliefs are significantly changed today. I didn't mean for you to take my comments as a personal slight, as if you are condemned for having flawed beliefs. I've had my share of flawed beliefs too, and no doubt I continue to have them even now.

 

Sam said:
Here's the more... (I just remembered this). I truly believed (in fact this belief was at the core of my world view) that the very most successful folks on Earth were that way because God felt they were best to do what these successful folks do - "shape the world" and "stand against evil" and that the earth was in a spiritual battle of good vs evil.

Chico said
This is a very flawed view...

Chico... I am also sensitive, overly sensitive perhaps - Did I not make it clear in my post that this view I had indeed was not just flawed but was the reason for my meltdown event in 2001? I am asking because it seems you would have used the word "was" if you also understood I recognized that way back in 2001.

 

I hope, Chico, you see that the view I shared was my view then which naturally conflicted with the empathy bubbling up from within (in this case good won over evil) yet which resulted in my own meltdown (due to being faced with having to sort out the conflict).

That event (the summer and fall of 2001 which oddly and synchronistically coincided with 9/11) was an outer world self destruction. What followed was 11 years which led to my inner world meltdown and the suicide attempt (early 2012).

Then I found Avalon and used that venue to pour it all out while simultaneously and freely exploring all sorts of alternative everything until the events of 2015.

Each stage ended in an eventual self-collapse yet each stage was markedly different. Also, I can see each stage was marked by poor judgment (as you suggested in another post).

So now, here I am and I am beginning to see that I have no choice but to be who/what I am and that is a being of empathy. Yet I also see that unless I stop using poor judgment, I will find a new way to become entangled with sociopaths and I do NOT want that to happen at all whatsoever... I am tired of the painful outcomes.

OK, so its clear I use a self reflection dynamic in my posts. I feel its best to use myself as an example and my experiences as examples because I do this honestly... or as honest as I possibly can. If folks get tired of this style, just let me know and I'll adjust or stop.

 

This is a very flawed view, nearly the opposite of the true situation. The very most successful folks on Earth are that way because their pathological psychology makes them the best at what these successful folks do -- "shape the world" and "stand against good." Yes, the Earth can be seen as a spiritual battleground of good versus evil, but the reality of the situation is that good is getting the crap kicked out of it! In World War II alone, over the course of only 6 years, an estimated 60 million individuals were killed! I would bet that over 95% of those people were basically good people. That deliberately orchestrated war alone demonstrates how evil is wiping the floor with good.

This is precisely what is called for. Empathy demands it. Even better is to find out who is doing all this harm (organized sociopaths) and take steps to prevent it from happening. Humanity has yet to reach that point in its evolution, but it better get it into gear, because time is running out. Evil is just about at the point of demonstrating total victory, and when that happens, humanity will be no more.

 

Thanks Chico - please check that quote again as I have modified it for clarity. I also enhanced it... please check to make sure you still agree.

Here's the more... (I just remembered this). I truly believed (in fact this belief was at the core of my world view) that the very most successful folks on Earth were that way because God felt they were best to do what these successful folks do - "shape the world" and "stand against evil" and that the earth was in a spiritual battle of good vs evil.

I believed that God knew what was in my heart and thus my successes were approved by God and that God was also giving me well deserved breaks along the way.

Guess what went wrong?

First I started seeing how I cut corners. Then I saw why I justified it. This is again because I felt God knew what was in my heart and so I could get a pass here and there (meaning I would do things against my ethics and against my morals - more on this at the end). Yet as I climbed higher on the world ladder I saw that the folks above me were even more vicious than I could ever imagine. This is when both my doubts about God and what was actually going on on Earth started sneaking in along with my own revulsion at my justifications for doing unacceptable things... doing these things to get to a power position with the real movers and shakers so I could then change (save) the world. When all these things fell apart, that's when the Book of Job event happened. That was perhaps my highest profile meltdown but not the worst and not the last.

On morals... I realized my morals never seemed static. They seemed to shift or be dependent on the situation. So I gave up. It is only the last 4 or so years I have tried to build a set of ethics I could stick by. My failures in 2015 proved that to be another false hope. So now I made what I am calling "operational protocols." Protocol Number One is - Maintain my right to experiencing the wonderment of life on my own terms. Having others tell you "the way it is" may work for some, not me. Protocol Number Two is - Never allow another to pull me into their other worldly story emotionally. When someone starts to tell me they were so and so in some past life, I have no issue. The minute they tell me who I was in "their past life" I now quickly move on. That game (for me) is a trap... a box. I will never be caught in that again (at least not this lifetime and hopefully never beyond this lifetime).

Bottom line Chico is that I see I am not a sociopath (at least not now). If ever I was, I got out of it. I know what I experienced and the changes in my thinking that I can see probably played a role in my direction heading towards empathy. But I also would be lying that if someone (or a group) significantly harms a loved one, friend or vulnerable (myself included on that list) I will use all honest means to repel that attack as I eventually did in late 2015 and still am doing when the opportunity or reason arises.

Having read Laura-Knight Jadczyk's Editor's Preface to Political Ponorology I can see the odds against my success are great (with regards to that old crowd) but it is what it is. In addition, I no longer count on some benevolent third party fiction of my own wishful thinking to make things right.

 

You may remember the book Manufacturing Consensus, which suggests the media is not there to inform, but to generate group think or like-mindedness (mind control). This has been taken to the next level by the ruling sociopaths, and someone could easily write another book called "Manufacturing Morality". And with the GMO research, it has moved into "Manufacturing Life Forms".

I have often said the ruling sociopaths wish to mold us in their image, and thereby impose their lack of morality onto us. The "matrix formulas" (great term, by the way) steer people onto paths of "success" that encourage us to act like sociopaths. If we behave this way often enough, the immoral behavoir of sociopaths becomes the new normal. In other words, our consensus of what is moral is shifted away from the morality innately understood by people of empathy and towards the morality understood by people lacking empathy (i.e. the immorality of sociopaths).

This morality shift becomes a very disturbing phenomenon in people with empathy. The resulting cognitive dissonance often manifests at the unconscious level and can easily lead to self-destruction, i.e. suicide or other behaviors of self-effacement.

Your italicized text is an important observation and I commend you for writing it. The key is to understand why these matrix formulas are being imposed on us. We are being engineered, redesigned, and corrupted by organized sociopaths.

 

I can see why you might be put off by my "targeting" Bill Ryan. In fact, Bill Ryan is just another sociopath to me. I only use him as an example with you because I know you have a lot of experience with him and might therefore be better able to see what I am describing. Another reason I like to use Bill Ryan is that we can still study him in action! That's why I maintained an anonymous presence at Avalon for so long even though I was permanently banned. Studying the hypocrisy and deception of a genuine sociopath in real time was just too enticing to give up! I learned a great deal from it. You might say Bill Ryan was one of my best teachers when it comes to understanding sociopaths.

 

Lobaczewski's life story is mind-blowing. He studied sociopaths clandestinely under the Nazis and again under the Soviets. He wrote the book three separate times! The first hand-written version had to be hastily burned to avoid being caught with it. The second handwritten version was sent to the Vatican and disappeared (intercepted and destroyed). The third copy was written in America on a computer so that there could be backups (finally!). A friendly fellow Pole who was highly influential in the U.S. government offered to help get it published, but quietly did just the opposite. When finally confronted by Lobaczewski, the excuse given was "That book was just not meant to be." That two-faced, betrayer of friendship was none other than master sociopath Henry Kissinger!

It probably is possible. Sociopaths can be "created" by abuse and trauma (the environmental component), so that could conceivably be reversed also by environmental means. Born sociopaths (the genetic component) are not reversible as far as our existing knowledge goes, but that could change as our ability to manipulate genes changes. The ruling sociopaths have long known that marrying within their sociopathic group maintains their genetic advantages (i.e. sociopathy) over the common riff-raff, which I think is why the whole bloodline thing is so important to them. I have no doubt that their interest and support of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) is aimed at enhancing the sociopathic characteristics of their descendants. They clearly don't do it for our benefit. That gives us a clue of how sociopathic they really are.

That will surely be explored once mandatory and regular testing for sociopathy is adopted by humanity. I would love to see that happen, and then we could know the answer to your question with much greater certainty.

 

No intention to derail Rose at all... just mentioning that this book - Political Ponerology is captivating and much I am reading here has been stated by Chico in this and other threads. Rose has also added to my increasing understanding of sociopathy/psychopathy.

I have a burning question I fear I may forget. The question is based on my experience. When young I was many, many negative things which I believe would be seen as sociopathic. Something happened, in part due to (and I am not recommending this) my experiences with consciousness expansion instigated by use of visionary plants and synthetic hallucinogenics starting in my late teens... this is when the empathy broke through along with my expanded views. For the next fifteen or so years (with a brief return in a short stretch in my 40s) I went through an internal struggle between trying to succeed via the matrix formulas (and unknowingly at times utilizing sociopathic means - because I believed to do so was the only way to succeed and justified by those who have had to do these same things (to get to the positions of power where they can now "do good" - thus these means must be acceptably ethical after all) and being able to live with myself and the sociopath was usually dominant. It ended in a "Book of Job" life destruction which I remarkably recovered from against all odds only to descend into a private, long term depression that ended in a serious suicide attempt (2012). Surviving that attempt depended on the empathetic "me" to lead vigilantly and it did until January 13, 2015. That empathetic "me" disappeared when I left Avalon on that day (go figure) and things went downhill from there but I see the key to all that was my following the story teller and the related group who had one thing in common - they hated Bill Ryan.

Only recently has the empathetic "me" returned again (being invited back to Avalon helped)... not completely but more than ever since that day I retired from Avalon. I am now participating on three forums including Avalon. All three are beneficial for me and I hope I return just as much if not more than I receive.

OK, I rambled (again) - the question is... Is it possible a human being could have the capability to go either direction? Is it possible that the very same human being could, if there be two timelines, find themselves a sociopath in one and a quite empathetic being in the other? I know I want this to be true... but I cannot know if this is true.

I wonder if the brain scan technology could be used to monitor a few thousand folks from birth to see if their brain scans might at some point emulate that which has been associated with sociopathy where we might find later that not only has their behavior changed (as mine did) where also, this might reflect changes in the brain scan too? Why this would be important to study is that I have read in this thread that current thought believes a sociopath cannot change. I wish folks knew me in my late teens and twenties... no exaggeration here and nothing I could be proud of.

 

more of the story please...

 

One of the consequences of lacking empathy (i.e. being a sociopath) is that it completely changes your world view.

The world view of normal people with empathy is one of cooperation, born from the Golden Rule "Do not do to others what you would not want done to you." Normal people have consideration for others and identify with them. Normal people see a world of equals that they are part of.

The world view of sociopaths is one of competition, born from the belief that it is "Every man for himself". Sociopaths do not have any real consideration for others and do not identify with them. They see a world of sheep that they are to have dominion over. They therefore see themselves as superior. Because sociopaths see a world all about competition and domination, their basic world view is one of game-playing. All the world is a stage, and everything is a game to be won. Winning the game, whatever the game is at the moment, is central to a sociopath's life.

Shezbeth played a game of ninja stealth and duplicity. Zook played a game of "discredit Chico to clear my good name". Shadowself played a game of "be patient for your delightful treat" and "no talking about sociopaths". In each case, it is a game of deception, for purposes of manipulation, in pursuit of greater power and control over others.

Sociopaths are all about "playing the game". They're not really listening to what you have to say, they are looking for the next killer move to win the game. They don't care what it costs you, they just care about winning. Pay attention to the manner in which they manipulate you. Don't they subtly chastise you for being a "loser" if you don't do as they suggest? There's your first clue that you are dealing with a sociopath.

Here's Zook doing it:

Here's Shadowself doing it:

From the sociopath's point of view, it is never right for the sociopath to lose.