Sociopaths / Psychopaths

This whole program to get us to turn away from violence and hate is looking more and more like an insidious psy-op to me. We Americans are brainwashed to embrace peace and love, while all around the world American soldiers act with hate and violence against those who do not comply with our government's agendas. The blatant hypocrisy is apparent, and wherever there is blatant hypocrisy, there are sociopaths behind it.

This got me to thinking -- can you know love if you refuse to hate that which would deliberately destroy what you love?

I love humanity. The ruling sociopaths have pursued a track that is deliberately destroying the humanity that I love. What is the appropriate response?

Fortunately, my solution to the sociopath problem does not call for hate and violence. The solution is:

1. Identify the sociopaths (by testing everyone periodically).
2. Disqualify sociopaths from holding positions of power and control over others.

However, to implement the solution requires overriding the existing power and control the ruling sociopaths have over us, which is considerable. They will not relinquish their power and control without calling on every means possible at their disposal, including inciting hatred and violence.

What is the appropriate response?

 

That's a very good question. I don't know the answer, but the suggestion that our drug industry may have been deliberately guided to make us more sociopathic is quite the thought. It certainly fits with the way ruling sociopaths would think. I have long stated that they intend to mold us in their image.

Wow. That too is a powerful thought. It makes sense that the pharmaceutical industry is not just about the bottom line. It is also a powerful tool to exert power and control over the masses. That is, after all, the goal of the ruling sociopaths.

 

My mom started "prozac" in the 90s and though she seemed low on the empathy scale before she started, what was clear is that she seemed to lose all empathy thereafter. She stayed on it all her life and still takes a small dose daily today. I love my Mom but every time I speak with her, all I hear is "a mind" talking. No heart anywhere to be found.

 

You don't need to move it on my account. It is related to the subject of sociopathy. So no apologies to me are necessary.

You don't seem to be a sociopath to me, Sam. You are having self-doubts because of what happened, your sense of worth is being challenged as a result, and you are beating up on yourself somewhat because of the pain you have inadvertently caused and the pain it has caused you. You have a devotion to Avalon because of the friendships you formed there and the benefit you derived from those relationships. This established a strong sense of community for you with regards to Avalon. All of this is how normal people react. It is not how sociopaths react.

Avalon is a dangerous place for people like you who open up too much to that community. For one thing, Avalon is a controlled community, and the controllers are sociopathic. They do not have your best interests in mind. They are first and foremost interested in running the game for their own benefit. Yes, you can benefit from your experiences at Avalon, but it's like a casino. In the long run, the odds favor the house, and it is deliberately designed that way. That is why censorship is practiced all the time at Avalon, because it further increases the odds in favor of the management. Sure, you can hit a jackpot in the casino, and it can seem like the winnings have literally saved your life. But, if you keep going back, your winnings (and more) are likely to return to the casino.

The majority of people at Avalon are good people (non-sociopaths). But as I have discovered in studying group sociopathy, when sociopaths set the policies for a group to follow, the group is subtly steered into sociopathic behaviors and mindsets. The policies may appear reasonable, with convincing justifications, but they are ultimately deceptions and manipulations designed to increase the power and control of the ruling sociopaths. The U.S. government is an example at the macro level, just as Avalon is an example at the micro level.

 

I'm always a bit startled when I run across an individual who sees the root problem much like I see it. I wonder if he is accused of being obsessed with sociopaths. Probably. It's like a good judge being accused of being obsessed with justice. The problem is, most judges are not obsessed with justice, when they should be. But then, you surely know that sociopaths are attracted to careers in big business, politics, and law. Hey, where do most politicians come from? The legal field. Where else does one wield power and control over others with recognized legitimacy?

 

I once found myself in a situation of...

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I recognize that there are valid reasons for secrecy when grounded in empathy, compassion, and love. Doctor-patient confidentiality is one example. But I am normally talking about secrecy as used by sociopaths, where it is not grounded in empathy, compassion, or love.

Yes, there are also valid reasons for deception when done to protect what is good from what is evil.

Most humans mature as they grow older. People do change as a result. They can change for the better, as you apparently have done, or they can change for the worse. I think the general trend is that non-sociopaths change for the better with time, and sociopaths change for the worse. Sociopaths are an interesting case because even though they change for the worse on the inside, they usually get better at hiding it, so they appear to be changing for the better on the outside. That makes them appear to change very much like non-sociopaths, but it is just an improving ability to deceive.

LOL! That would be very much like a sociopath to make files on people, don't you think?

No, I do nothing quite so sinister. Synchronicity is more to blame, I think. I often do research into sociopathy, and occasionally I am directed to Avalon by the search engines. I have an avid interest anyway in how Avalon members approach the subject, given that forum dictator Bill Ryan is a sociopath. I have traveled that very same road, as you may know, writing about sociopaths at Avalon. Eventually, with observation and experience, I began to "see" some of the sociopaths at Avalon (IceCold was one), and much to my disappointment, my truth-seeking "hero" Bill Ryan turned out to be one.

Recently, I went back to that particular thread at Avalon to read it again (it was in my search results), and I came across your post. It's not something I remembered, and no, I wasn't Music.

 

When I looked at this list and considered myself as a subject, I have to admit that when i was very young, I rated much higher in every category.

I have no secrets but I find I am placed in the position of having to honor another's request I keep their information secret. The moment I was told... "please keep this secret" (where sometimes the word 'private' is used as if there's actually a difference) maybe I should have told them to stop right there as I do not wish to play the secret game. But guess what? By doing that, I am walling myself off from my own empathy. How you might ask? Here's how... sometimes people are in a personal crisis and need to get it out... need to share it with just one person. Yet they must also feel safe. So sometimes I find myself in a situation where I sacrifice my ideal (no secrets) because the need of the other is, for me, more important. My empathy, compassion and love... and a recognition their need to feel safe is what ensures (in most cases) I keep their secrets.

Deception. I abhor deception yet I would be lying if I did not admit I still, on a very rare occasion, tell a lie. Those occasions almost always involve my perception that if I am brutally honest, I would be hurting someone's feelings unnecessarily. I don't like it, but it happens... rarely now, but still happens.

OK, so my point was this. Was I a sociopath when younger yet have mostly grown out of it? Is it possible for someone to change? Or am I now an ultra exceptional sociopath who plays the game almost perfectly? Some sort of stealth sociopath?

Chico, I recall you brought up a thread I participated in three years ago at Avalon. I wonder now if you make a file on the high profile posters. In my case I wouldn't mind. I just find it quite mind blowing you pulled that post out on me a few days ago. I don't think I have been anything special that you could possibly have remembered that... unless... are you Music? If so, then I guess your recall of that post isn't much of a surprise.

Thanks, I hope you'll consider my main point here and answer my questions to the best of your experience.

 

We like sociopaths. We can't help ourselves. They are interesting and dynamic people, charming and attractive. They also make the best con-artists, to a degree we normal people can't even imagine. Therein lies a boatload of problems.

Non-sociopaths are wired to like other people. It's because we have empathy. Empathy causes us to see others much like we see ourselves. We therefore tend to see all people as equals, with equal importance and equal rights. Sociopaths, lacking empathy, do not. They see themselves as superior. They believe they are better than other people. Other people are just objects to be manipulated for the sociopath's own selfish benefit. Whereas non-sociopaths see equality among humans, sociopaths see inequality. Sociopaths see a hierarchy of importance and rights. And they see themselves at the top of that hierarchy, with more importance and greater rights.

I was listening to Stephen's DJ session. I mostly skipped over the music, instead concentrating on his stream-of-consciousness commentary. The guy is a conceited, thuggish, two-faced deceiver and manipulator... but we like him! And that's how we get sucked into his game, which always ends up being very damaging for us, and beneficial for him. It's the same dynamic between the ruling sociopaths and the bulk of humanity. They're killing us, but we like them!

 

It's a long thread already, and it's still growing, so no need to apologize.

I don't mind discussing my proposed solution anyway. I've been hammering on it for years, and the biggest hurdle is how to get it implemented when sociopaths hold all the power and control. They obviously are not going to allow us to have a universal and accurate test for sociopaths! I suspect they have already developed very accurate methods for identifying sociopaths, and they may even use them internally and secretly to screen candidates for their most sensitive missions that require a coldly calculating sociopath (as in black-ops).

 

I can't believe you found that or... or that you remembered that. I have been thinking about those days when I was looking at all that and I recalled concluding I was probably a socio/psychopath... I had forgotten that test but I knew I had posted as honest as I could be about all that and I thought, "I wish I could find what I had written to see where I am now... if anything has changed."

I mean, a few tears came to me that you, Chico, found this. Even more now that its sinking in.

But then I had just read this from Rose on page 4 (this is why I came to the end of the thread... because I was going to edit my last post and add this - )

I am from Dallas and I live in Dallas again. Uuuuggghhh.

Anyways, I almost edited that post at PA because I see I did not address #9

#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

I do apologize. I only do when I really feel it. But also, sometimes I really feel it but then I remember why I did some of the things I did and get angry again. That one is really tough for me.

 

A normal person would be concerned about any sociopathic tendencies he or she might display. Sociopaths, on the other hand, think that there is nothing wrong with them! They might pretend to be concerned, as a way to deceive and manipulate others, or as camouflage, but it will just be a ruse and is not the way they truly see themselves.

I see you were already doing some self-examination here, nearly three years ago. That's a good sign, showing consistency of purpose over time. Sociopaths tend to be inconsistent, doing whatever is necessary to advance their position in the immediate game they are playing. That's why they often exhibit a good measure of hypocrisy. You also say that you sometimes feel shame, guilt, and remorse. In my experience, if you feel those things occasionally, you don't qualify as a sociopath. Those emotions are derivatives of empathy, and if you have empathy, you aren't a sociopath.

If anyone has evidence for a sociopath that does have empathy, I'd like to see it.

 

I should have read the whole thread... apologies.

 

The solution is to 1) identify the sociopaths, and 2) disqualify them from positions of power and control over others.

Now we have three more problems: a) how to reliably identify the sociopaths, b) how to properly fill positions of power and control over others with non-sociopaths, who typically don't want the job, and c) how to implement the solution in the first place when sociopaths are in complete control and we are not.

 

So what would be the pathways to solutions?

 

This is a very complex issue. Genetics greatly influence biology. Social conditions greatly influence family experiences, and vice versa. The relative contributions of all these areas to the formation of sociopaths and psychopaths is difficult to determine, perhaps even impossible at this stage of our understanding. But we do know that the ruling sociopaths of this world certainly put a lot of effort into creating social conditions that will push the masses towards more sociopathic behavior. Apparently, sociopaths believe social conditions are significant causative factors in the making of sociopaths and psychopaths, which gives the idea some validation. Plus, it seems to be working, and it is hard to argue with results.

If around 80% of the human population are Followers, as I have hypothesized, then they could be led into emulating sociopaths. They could also be led into not emulating them.

So human beings are malleable. Normal people can be influenced to behave more sociopathically than they normally would. Yet experience has shown that hardcore sociopaths cannot be influenced to behave less sociopathically than they normally would. The claim is that they cannot be cured. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that at this stage, we do not know how to cure them.

As I said, this is a very complex issue. But it is, at least in my opinion, the most important issue facing humanity. Sociopaths have always ruined our world, and they are getting better and better at it. What do you think the end result will be? We either solve this problem, or sociopaths will destroy us all. The parasites will consume the host until it cannot survive, which also means the death of the parasites.

 

Agreed.

Don't be too quick to pass self-judgement. Take your time. There's a lot to learn about sociopaths, and there's a lot to learn about normal human psychology. Compare and contrast them. Then there's a lot to learn about yourself. Then compare and contrast how you are to the other two.

I've spent ten years doing all that, and it's not finished. It's never finished. "Know thyself." Also try to know others. And include time to try to know the world.

I guarantee you there will be enough to keep you busy for quite a few lifetimes.

 

Just a quick comment - not to derail... I am placing it here as I have a feeling I will be needing to read it again once I get through this and the related threads.

I am really concerned about my own sociopathic tendencies. I just cannot seem to develop a consistent character. It is usually sound but sometimes swings to display some of the characteristics Chico describes. I state this all and only because I believe all real change can only start with self-honesty first.

 

That's a pretty bold lie, Zook. Your desperation is showing. How do you explain all the sourced information I have gathered together concerning sociopaths on four forums (Avalon, Nexus, United People, and Inphinet)? Also, how do you explain the fact that you voluntarily followed me here so that I could "badger" you? Doesn't that indicate you came here to badger me? And can you point to the "palpable disrespect" I have shown to you or anyone else?

Another bold lie! How many times have I quoted the words of Amanda Bloom, "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." It's an obvious truth; how is it that you do not understand it?

That's good propaganda, Zook, though it still shows that you do not accept Amanda Bloom's wisdom.

I suspected you would pick this up and use it as the centerpiece of your next attack! That's one of the reasons why I put it out there. It was a test to confirm to me once again your sociopathic, game-playing, deceptive and manipulative nature. In science, when a theory can make predictions that can then be experimentally tested, and those predictions are confirmed, the theory gains further stature and support. My theory has long been that you are a sociopath. I have gathered a preponderance of evidence that supports that theory, all documented at United People (and some here now), but I realize there is always the possibility that I could be wrong. So I borrowed another fundamental principle from science and designed a predictive test. I apologize for treating you as a lab rat, but your protests against being labeled a sociopath by me were so exaggerated, so inflated, and so insistent, I decided to put my theory to the test. And it passed with flying colors.

Thou didst protest too much.

LOL! You really are over-the-top, Zook. What a fine sociopath you are, telling us what to think of your comments. You play a good game, I'll give you that, but it's that very behavior that exposes you over and over again as a sociopath.

 

I think this statement needs more explanation to avoid misunderstanding.

Sociopaths give the appearance of being open, honest, genuine, and truthful. They are often masters at projecting such a false façade. They are consummate actors. They wear a false mask, pretending to be what they are not. Underneath the mask, their true nature is one of being disingenuous, secretive, and closed. But you could never tell it from outward appearances. They will tell you to your face that they are being honest, genuine, and open, but it is propaganda. Propaganda means there is enough truth in their statements to give their message credibility, but there are also many subtle lies accompanying those truths that are cleverly selected to lead you astray from reality. It's deception and manipulation refined to an art form. And it is what sociopaths do.

This is how Bill Ryan fools his followers. He is very skilled at this. One of the threads where he exposed his sociopathy is this one. Bill was trying to paint himself as a paragon of integrity, to build a convincing façade that would help cement his position of beloved authority. Most people fell for it, as they usually do. But if you look carefully and pay close attention, you will see plenty of signs that Bill pushes it too far. He exceeds the boundaries of normal humility. Thankfully, a number of people could see through the ruse, and Bill had to close the thread when he saw it wasn't the success he had planned it to be.

 

Chico has gone beyond concepts and opinions and uses the term "sociopath" to badger his opponents, across threads and across forums. He has made no objective assessments. You are ignoring the palpable disrespect he has shown to many who have posited different arguments from his own.

In the thread "Who is an Inphinet Sociopath" ... we see Chico being evaluated on his behavior as being a sociopath by thrice the vote count that Zook has garnered. Despite what the pop psychologists of the modern self-serving Zionist-agenda-oriented education century have to say on the matter, the vox populi is still the best indicator of what is and not what is theorized to be. The vox populi of Inphinet forums - despite its limited sampling - have determined that Chico is at least three times as worthy of being called a sociopath as Zook is. In that thread, you yourself have indicated that Zook does not appear to be a sociopath. Your first impression of me has not been betrayed by my behavior on this and other forums. Yet you continue to enable Chico's disrespect towards myself (and others) and tout his apparent credentials on the topic of sociopathy ... even though he continues to incorrectly label/libel me as a sociopath against your very own impression of me. If he's that good at assessing sociopaths, then ask yourself this, why do you personally feel that I'm not a sociopath? Something is amiss.

You might also ask yourself why United People has been reduced to United Chico ... and why most other forums have decided to not allow membership to Chico. Free clue: it's not because he's a truthseeker. Indeed, Chico reveals his conditioned sociopathic nature (fifth column trolls usually have a mix of empathic and sociopathic qualities) as revealed by the following revelation:

[CHICO] I have occasionally participated in Avalon during the last four years, under different names since Chicodoodoo is banned for life from Avalon, and every time I have tried to initiate thought-provoking discussions of similar quality, I have ended up being censored and eventually banned. Not for being unruly, not for being disrespectful, not for breaking the rules, but for asking questions and entertaining alternate perspectives.
[/CHICO]

Question begs: would a genuine empath resort to deceptive methods to try and impose themselves on a group after that group has indicated to him that he is no longer welcome there? Woody Allen made a quote about not wanting to join any group that would have him. Chico must be the antiWoodyAllen for he tries to join groups that have excommunicated him. To me, it's a sign of mental sickness in the best-case scenario, when someone wants in with those who want him out. In the worst-case scenario, it's calculated trolling by a fifth column operative. Either way, basic ethics are missing in the person.

You get amused easily.

Remaining members as a whole. None specified as none stand out. Again, you amuse easily.

I'm sure even Chico is a bit befuddled by your statement about not noticing the lumping. After all, he's done his darnedest to lump myself (and some other persons) with demonstrable demonstrated sociopaths proven by their ongoing behavior (e.g. Charles and Bill Ryan). Mind you, one may legitimately argue whether the lumping has merit, and if so, how much ... but to deny the lumping altogether as you have done above betrays a blind spot. You are being blinded by your own decision to accommodate Chico's mischief. So be it.

My comment is limited to this forum. Please examine Inphinet forum for its own merits and demerits. It's a logical fallacy to appeal to the standards of other forums in order to deflect criticism of the behavior of the given forum. I'm only taking about quality. From what I have seen so far, Inphinet forums has not shown much in either quality (discussion) or quantity (membership). But hey, it's a relatively new forum and the expectation is one of growing pains. As it stands now, there are few genuine ideas being discussed here. The few genuine attempts at discussion have been sabotaged by disrespect. There is no appetite to reign in this disrespect. Consider my comments as constructive criticism.

That said, are rubber-plastic hybrids better than pure plastic containers at handling microwave radiation? I'm thinking of switching to the Rubbermaid collection. Any tips? Thanx in advance.

Pax