State of InPhiNet

Zook, you are right on cue!

I didn't call Shadowself a sociopath, I pointed out her sociopathic behaviors, i.e. I offered evidence. I've done the same thing with you for years at UP, which is why you've seen this opportunity to return here in pursuit of your plan to discredit my assessment of you being a sociopath. That was the reason you came to this forum, and that was the reason for your "Is Hitler a sociopath" thread, too, to somehow convince people that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to sociopaths, which you think will clear your name. And now it's the reason you have popped up once again, to join forces with Shadowself and try to take down Chico again. You simply continue to expose your own sociopathic behavior by your actions, and now you are couching it in lectures to Rose about empathy. The irony is simply incredible. You might fool a lot of people who don't know much about sociopathy, but you aren't fooling me. You just continue to confirm in spades how right I have been all along.

But I still love you, Zook! You continue to be a great aid in my learning about sociopaths, and I know you will continue until your dying breath. Andywight took the smart way out (he vanished), as did Shezbeth (he vanished), but not you. I predict Shadowself will be happy to align with you in pursuit of your common goal to destroy your common enemy. It's the way of organized sociopaths, doncha know...

Why don't you lecture me some more about how it's the organization that's to blame, and not the sociopaths. facepalm

 

I thought I was being empathetic, Rose, when I took the Hitler discussion back to United People since you appeared to have discomfort with it. It's unfortunate that you choose to frame my departure as something less than empathy and more akin to a boy walking away with his football because he wasn't allowed to play quarterback. Perhaps part of the problem resides in your own psychology and the way you react to empaths, and to sociopaths.

I've been reading this forum regularly (even as I stopped posting) just because I wanted to see just how much patience the remaining members here would show before turning against Chico for his obvious trolling behavior. Chico has a track record of trolling other forums.

To Shadowself's credit, she identified Chico's trolling sooner than later, and even identified it as PPD, e.g. paranoid personality disorder. I identify it differently as fifth column behavior (which is necessarily a form of conditioned sociopathy). In the end, we both identify it correctly as trolling. By contrast, while the trolling has been quite flagrant, you continue to enable it by ignoring the damage it is doing to the discussion of ideas not to mention its negative effect on the membership (which has dwindled to a trickle).

Any objective person can see that Chico has essentially scuttled the discussion on pyramids (merit notwithstanding) by initiating an unprovoked messenger attack against Shadowself by calling her a sociopath. This is his modus operandi. He attacks the messenger when limited by his own knowledgebase or otherwise has no valid arguments to make.

Indeed, Chico uses spurious reasoning by suggesting that Shadowself is using her son's death to manipulate the discourse. I don't know about you, Rose, but I didn't feel manipulated. I felt normal empathy for a mother who is still coping with a recent loss of a son. Real empathy is about giving space to those in grief ... about allowing those dealing with grief more latitude in emotions than we would normally allow to others.

Didn't you detect even a bit of sociopathy in Chico when he made his unprovoked attack on Shadowself? I'd bet teh farm that everyone else who has been reading the exchanges detected Chico's sociopathic response to Shadowself.

Like I said, you appear to be susceptible to enabling sociopaths, Rose. Which is perhaps why you found yourself entangled in Charles/Houdini's web of deceit. And now you seem to be caught up in Chico's web of deceit, for you certainly are reacting more against Shadowself's contributions than is merited ... and less against Chico's contributions than is warranted. You've already framed my own empathetic departure as something less than empathetic.

It's a shame, really ... but it does underscore our collective plight in 2016 as we deal with Hamlet's Denmark ... a plight delivered not in small part because we allow the sociopaths in our midsts more leeway to operate than we do the empaths.

Shadowself was defending herself after Chico initiated unmitigated bullshit calling Shadowself a sociopath ... and she made her self-defense comments in the commentary thread which is the proper venue. I don't remember seeing you express similar disappointment with Chico each time he has initiated a character attack against members like Shezbeth, myself, and now Shadowself.

Which then invites the suggestion that perhaps you need to look at how you deal with demonstrable genetic and conditioned sociopaths (Charles and Chico) who have been exposed by their own behavior ... and how you deal with the rest of us who are allegedly being exposed by Chico's decrees and sociopath detector.

I offer my criticisms with no ill-intent ... and I apologize in advance if you feel offended by them.


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It's worth very little. I approve of your picture and the philosophy behind it. It is not foolish at all. It is, in fact, genuine. What is foolish is that we should feel obliged to explain why we have stepped out of line, when we should be demanding why we must be in line in the first place!

 

I have no doubt that is the case.

The good news is, that's perfectly normal for a non-sociopath! Shame is part of what makes us great, and helps us self-correct. Sociopaths don't feel shame, which is why they were called the morally insane, and why they should never be allowed to occupy positions of power and control, and why the world is in such an insane mess! I can't tell you how many times I would have been ashamed if I had been in Zook's shoes, but he never feels ashamed, which is why he can't self-correct. It's also why I can't ever correct him! He always knows better, which he mistakenly attributes to his superior discernment. Sociopathy is truly fascinating stuff! It makes me appreciate how amazing normal human behavior is. The difference that empathy makes just astounds me. It really seems to be the key to understanding the difference between good and evil, and that's huge.

Sociopaths are always motivated to make others serve them. They want us to be their slaves. That's what the pursuit of power and control over others is for, in their twisted minds. Their ultimate goal is to enslave others.

To work for their cause, you mean. The window dressing they create says "good" cause, but their true hidden intentions say "our" cause, where "our" does not include anyone outside their private club of sociopaths.

Well done. I find it keeps things focused, prevents confusion, and helps us communicate with fewer misunderstandings. Unlike Zook, I am not into obfuscation. His word play is deliberately designed to impress you and make your head spin. My posts are meant to be simple and clear. I don't always succeed, but I really do just want to share what I've learned as clearly as possible.

There is a historian I've been following recently, Vincent Reynouard, who also does the same thing. He exposes the outrageous lies of World War II that we have all been taught to believe without question, "facts" like the Holocaust and the evil of Nazi Germany. His communication and reasoning skills are as sharp as a razor's edge. He is one of the most exciting minds I've ever discovered, but most of what he presents is in French only! Imagine my frustration at wanting to share his amazing insights with others who don't speak his language! So when I see Zook or Shezbeth use the English language to deceive and manipulate, instead of raise our understanding of the lies we've been fed by the ruling sociopaths, I feel that same frustration.

 

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As was I. It wasn't much of a rivalry, if you look back at the Avalon thread on The 48 Laws of Power. That's exactly what I had to do in order to figure out why Shezbeth knew who I was when I had no recollection of him at all. I even thought he was a woman named Beth (She's Beth!), until I saw his picture in "Me in Metaphysics" doing the ninja pose. Did you notice that thread was all about him? He didn't even want people to comment in his thread! It interrupted the flow of his self-admiration! And the "Me" in "Metaphysics" thing? Arrogant, self-centered, certain of his superiority -- all typical characteristics of the sociopath. Watch Zook do the same thing in his posts.

It's very stressful for a sociopath when they are being exposed to the home crowd. I've seen the same thing occur with Zook in the past (and the present). When stressed, they let their mask slip.

This aversion to conflict that many feel so strongly about is something I am really interested in, having seen it so many times across all the forums. It's the reason forums have "Moderators", to moderate or dampen the emotions of members who have trouble moderating themselves. Sure, things can get ugly without "authorities" maintaining "order", but there is great benefit in that ugliness. And that benefit is truth. We get to see "behind the mask" and learn what a person's true character is. Shezbeth just gave us an awesome example of that, and I maintain that we are better off knowing the truth about Shezbeth than maintaining false appearances that we are all one big happy family. Same with Stephen. And same with Zook, I can comfortably predict.

He didn't. You he could manipulate. He had a problem with me. I was exposing his true face. You didn't take his side in that conflict, so you became the enemy by association. You will see that Zook also abides by the "guilty by association" rule. It is another important indicator of sociopathic thinking, much like "accusing your opponent of your own malfeasance".

Duh! That's what I noticed with his faulty observations about chess in that exchange we had in "Me in Metaphysics". And he admitted it himself, that he was duplicitous, and proud of it! What did you think duplicity is all about? It is about hiding your bad intentions.

I think it is an error on your part to imagine that you have sociopaths figured out after working with them in quasi-governmental agencies for years. It takes far more than simply associating with sociopaths to understand their deceptions and manipulations. Why? Because they hide their real intentions from you and everybody else. They are masters at it, and you can be fooled. So can I. I don't have any illusions about my proficiency to spot sociopaths. I'm getting better at it, but there could be plenty of them that I am blind to. And I am constantly working to address that.

I suggest that your long association with Stephen is an indication of his success at manipulating you. Your puzzlement at Shezbeth's behavior is also another indicator of the same. Shezbeth was manipulating you, and he was well aware that Stephen was too. He even said as much on his way out the door, which I noted with interest:

The "personality defects" Shezbeth is talking about is your proclivity to be deceived and manipulated by sociopaths. Don't feel bad, because we are all subject to their "games". What we want to do is learn to recognize them as early as possible. You could use some help in that area, just like all the rest of us, including me. It may be why the "woo woo" arranged things to have us all here.

 

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There is no such thing. There are only things we find hard to accept or comprehend. Lots of things.

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Rose, I read somewhere here (can't find it now) that you had a vision of what you wanted this site to be. Did you post that somewhere? Since version 2 is just getting started, it might be helpful to review that vision.

 

Yep. Sociopaths probe constantly. They look for cracks, flaws, and weaknesses that they can exploit. It is second-nature for them, meaning standard operating procedure.

Another good observation. Sociopaths quickly adapt to the medium they have in front of them to work with. They look for buttons they can push and note the reactions they produce. Then they calculate how they can use those reactions to accomplish the manipulations they desire. It is their nature.

They do damage, for sure. Usually people can recover and be stronger from the experience.

I wish. Just like oil cartels won't let us have zero-point energy, neither will ruling sociopaths let us have any technology that can quickly and accurately measure human psychological proclivities. It would be the end of their reign.

 

some people said he had mental abilities , one time he gave me the ju ju to heal me it was bs of course i never had a problem to begin with . it seemed more of a test to see if one would follow direction , and as far as the abilities i think it was more the perception of his lager then life persona that gave them their own experience ( they saw what they wanted too ) and lets not forgot he was always trying to fill the empty roles in ppls lives

i know im damaged from it
some one that knows how to do the things i do should not be so naive

kinda horrifying in hindsight

i was wondering is there a good test to see what kinda psycho you are ?

 

In the end (with hindsight), all the talents I could identify in Stephen were directly employed in selling the con. So naturally I am curious to hear about his other talents, which I assume you are talking about. I was not an insider, so with your access to Stephen and your experience in dealing with sociopaths in quasi-governmental agencies, you surely have a wealth of valuable information to share. I encourage you to do so publicly. This kind of exposure, of course, is not what Stephen wants, which is why he threatens you. But what Stephen wants is only good for Stephen.

 

I'm on board with the role of the Minions. Good observation.

 

This is all I'm going to say about that:

As one of the former "18" I came to that site for one reason. Soon afterward I was commandeered to join the 18 for one reason. I had connections to help with the film making which ended up as Stephen wished it. A complete flop. He never wanted that "idea" to flourish. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out either. He didn't want the site to be a success. I had and still have (even though my son died) a group of friends ready and willing to assist me in any endeavor I need for such things!

How do I know this? Because every good idea that was EVER started he squashed! He also did in in such a way as to cause conflict! Like it was the people doing the work that were causing the conflict when in fact it was propagated by you know who. This in fact caused a conflict between Rose and I. It was not her...it was not I...it was "pushed" in a direction that would cause chaos. It was "crafted" to happen.

One thing this guy know very well....CHAOS! If you can use it...abuse it!

But what he never learned on the subject of Chaos is this...It may start with order...and Chaos ensues.....but order will eventually come back to fruition!



He was also attempting a poor excuse of "mentalism"..... which anybody who has researched this subject to any degree would clearly recognize.

Now I could go on about this and the last words he had to me were "let me die in peace" because I made a statement that he had "followers". Really? A little sympathy and tea from me? You really played that card? What?????????



Well imagine my surprise when I discovered he was alive and kicking! LOL He said...they are not followers they are my friends!

Really Stephen? One of your friends just ditched your ass! Along with a whole bunch more!

Rose...try not to let this guy get to you. You've done a good job here and I commend you on a job well done. Put it in the past and a move on to something far better than he ever deserved.

 

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Naturally. This is how sociopaths work. No surprise there.

Naturally. Blackmail is the standard method of coercion used by sociopaths, even among themselves.

I haven't seen them, as reading anything written by Stephen is actually repugnant to me. His thoughts are diseased.

He did. That is standard operating procedure for sociopaths. They save everything for future blackmailing operations. GypsyWoman did this to me on our Skype chats, never revealing that we were being recorded.

Perfect description of a sociopath.

It always has to be ASAP. They attach false importance to everything they do with you in order to gain your confidence (because it is a con-game, con for confidence).

Stephen will use that as a leash to jerk you around like a puppet. Don't let him. If he threatens to shout it from the rooftops, tell him to feel free. Releasing private personal information he's recorded clandestinely will only confirm his demented nature.

That's the old "twist and shout" strategy Uncle Zook uses all the time. Sociopaths twist the real history around into something that best suits their purposes, and then they shout it from the rooftops.

For the sociopath, it is always about having power and control.

They can't help it. Their pursuit of power and control is essentially outside their own control. Their sociopathy drives them to be this way. It's an uncontrollable compulsion.

That "important information" doesn't exist. He fabricates it on demand. He did this so many times as Charles at Avalon. It's just the sociopath's common ploy.

My advice is to continue to sever all ties with him. "No Contact" (NC) is the acknowledged way at psychopathfree.com to regain your freedom and mental health when coming out of an abusive relationship. Stephen is poison, and you have already been weakened by the poison he's slipped you on so many occasions. Adhere to NC and you will recover.

Rhiannon has my sympathies and would do well to follow that same advice.

 

Rose, have you written down your story of InPhiNet version 1 anywhere on this forum? You mentioned there were some gory details, and you also gave us a laundry list of psychological abuse that you felt you experienced. Atticus a.k.a. Houdini was involved, and my limited understanding is that things came to a fracture point and shattered. Having interacted with Atticus on his old forum several years back, I am quite familiar with the deception and manipulation he is capable of. What schemes he ran after the Atticus1 forum con I am ignorant of. Your experience could have great educational value for others, including me, if you could share it. An historical accounting of the trials and tribulations you experienced directly from the hand of a skilled con-artist is the type of exposure they hate. They don't want us to know how they function. It takes away their power, and as you may have experienced, they are all about wielding power and control over others.

 

Stephen has hurt many people with fear.
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