Sociopaths / Psychopaths

Discussion in 'Φ v.2 Who is a SOCIOPATH?' started by Chicodoodoo, Dec 30, 2015.

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  1. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    I would like to draw attention to this post. The article on the dynamic between sociopaths and non-sociopaths that I reference in that post is quite good, so good in fact that the article has been subsequently censored! There is a link in the addendum I just added that will allow you to read another copy of the article that I located on sott.net, a website which is a good resource for studying sociopaths and their distinctive psychology.

    Thank God for the inadvertent redundancy of the Internet! By sharing the information, copying and reposting it, we give the ruling sociopaths headaches as they try to control both the information and the flow of information. And they do that to control our minds, which is the best way to control us. Sociopaths are all about deceiving and manipulating in the pursuit of power and control over others. This kind of censorship is just another example of that.
     
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  2. Chicodoodoo

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    One of the leading causes of death in the U.S. today, second only to suicide by multiple gunshots to the back of the head. facepalm
     
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  3. Rose

    Rose InPHInet Rose Φ Administrator

    Part two of my response is, No.

    It is my inclination to believe #1 and #3 were sociopaths who got involved over their heads with much worse sociopaths who had psychopaths in their employ.
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    #1, the diamond executive had just transferred from the New York office. His correspondence alerted me to the fact that something occurred there that made the transfer necessary. He was to be a witness for the prosecution in a criminal case. I overheard telephone calls that sounded as if he was on the receiving end of harassment. He lived in a nearby hotel until his new home was completed and his family could move here. Before he could testify, he was killed at his housewarming party, electrocuted by a blender making a drink at his swimming pool bar.

    #3 will follow later.
     
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  4. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    That's a very good observation and one that I also internally noted. I believe extensive research has been done in classified projects and that the ruling sociopaths have methods to identify sociopaths with exceptional accuracy. They use these methods to ensure that the goons they hire to do the dirty work (and the people they allow into their "private club") are not people of empathy. Naturally, I can't prove this, given that it is done in secrecy, but it is easily predictable given what we have learned about other secret programs (Paperclip, MKUltra, Monarch, etc.) and what we know about how sociopaths think.
     
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  5. Gemma

    Gemma Member

    The email I sent to James Fallon was via his University of California address and I have just received a reply:

    Dear Dr. xxxxxxx, (I never wrote in as a Dr. so this is assumption on the admin staff and I have removed her name below with respect to her privacy.)

    I am Professor Fallon’s Office Manager.
    He just left to take a flight to North Africa.
    He will be at a remote research station in the Sahara until mid-August.
    Please resend your email to him at that time.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Dr. Fallon’s O.M.

    > On May 31, 2016, at 10:18 PM, xxxxxxx wrote:


    I have therefore diarised to resend the email around 23 August. The Sahara trip isn't strange either as I do recall Fallon bragging about his adventurous spirit and even dragging his brother along on a dangerous research assignment without alerting him to the very real fatal risks involved.

    Chico: "My only reservation is that it bothers me to recognize a sociopath as an authority regarding sociopathy. If we should also look to him for leadership, or put him in a position of power and control, I'm really going to get worried."

    Couldn't agree with you more Chico as I wouldn't be too happy either with Fallon in a leadership position but we don't seem to have too many choices for getting through to the psychopathic political fortress. This is why, for me, Fallon's scientific research has potential, oddly enough, to provide a launching pad for numerous sectors of society to exploit for raising the bar on global awareness. After all, you have obviously spent years hammering away at this, but your commitment eventually got through to a few people, so if we could investigate, find, and hammer away at interested "empathic" professionals from sociological and scientific institutions to create a steering committee for a global campaign over a couple of years, who knows where that could lead; as Fallon is only one step on a long pathway.

    And Fallon's comments that "we don't have enough research yet" weren't lost on me either as potentially being a scientific censorship ruse, whether from him personally or applied pressure from higher up the institutional ladder; so if there's no other way to dismantle a wall than picking it apart pebble by pebble, then surely that's what we gotta do until more hands make light work and pebbles become bricks.
     
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  6. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    I'm glad you clarified that. I certainly agree. The Inquisition was another obvious example.
     
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  7. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    Good.

    My only reservation is that it bothers me to recognize a sociopath as an authority regarding sociopathy. If we should also look to him for leadership, or put him in a position of power and control, I'm really going to get worried.
     
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  8. the cults of the world (churches) have more sociopaths then probably any where ie most of the "saints" where evil bastards and they branded free thinkers "sinners "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum
    I get what you meant thou
    just pointing out how it could be confusing
     
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  9. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    I don't see that as a slippery slope at all. The worst sinners are those who do evil. Evil comes primarily from the minds of sociopaths. Sociopaths are therefore the worst sinners, and that's indeed what we experience in real life. If that's not the case, please explain.

    "Sinner" is not a good word to use, because that means different things to different people. I don't approach sociopathy from a religious perspective, and "sinner" is typically a religious term.

    Sociopaths and their polar opposites, who I call "saints", are not the same, even though both are human and share many of the same qualities. I always envision a bell curve which charts the distribution of sociopathic tendencies within a population. At the extreme left end, we have the sociopaths. At the extreme right end, we have the saints. Most of us fall somewhere in between. Some of us are more saintly than sociopathic. Some are more sociopathic than saintly. In effect, sociopathy exists in varying degrees among all people. Saints have almost none, sociopaths have an abundance.

    If we were to chart the amount of empathy in a population, we would essentially get the same curve. Sociopaths have low empathy, saints have high empathy.

    Although I have used the word "saints", I am not using it in the religious sense. To me, it means people who are exceptional do-gooders. I may confuse some people by that word choice, but I have used it for a long time to label the right-most side of the bell curve, as it was the best word I could come up with. Can you think of a better word?
     
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  10. Gemma

    Gemma Member

    I have just sent this email to James Fallon - will keep you posted if I do/do not receive a reply.

    Hello James

    A conversation between a small group of individuals has gained traction re low empathic markers on brain imaging which is why it is now time to go straight to the experts, particularly as one individual has made attempts to have the testing done for himself:

    "In all of Dallas and Fort Worth, I cannot find anywhere that provides this form of imaging and no one knows if any place even does this. One person I spoke with said that Baylor Hospital (the main one in Dallas) was seeking training and licensing to do this yet I was unable to get that verified."

    My question today is where/how individuals can obtain a PET/fMRI scan specifically for analysis of neurological empathic pathways.

    I understand that a specialist would require valid reasoning for the request and if not trained in analysis would be reluctant to, or prohibited from booking the procedure, but if a citizen was prepared to pay for the scan and successfully source a physician to perform the scan, could you provide a basic, albeit inconclusive, set of "at glance" instructions for reading specific data; for in your interviews you make it fairly obvious to the layperson, from the coloured markers on your display images, what to look for as a starting point. With continued public educational exposure to medical science it has become easier for layperson intelligence to recognize symptoms prompting them to investigate further and/or seek professional advice on cancer, heart conditions, Alzheimer's, etc, so why not brain imaging as a kick-starter for psychological dispositions. I am not naively suggesting laypersons could, nor should become authorities on brain scan imaging. I am interested in the possibility of broad evidence providing a catalyst to increasingly generate greater global discussion, for it is, after all, pedestrian populations than can effectively apply force to this proposition.

    Recently I became very interested in deep diving into the psychology of psychopathy and it is my current understanding that what you, and others have revealed, is one of the greatest secrets that needs global exposure so that we can, at best, look at bringing to the fore brain scan testing for political leaders. My vision for scanning of community leaders/workers is not to displace those with neurologically low empathic markers, but to ensure leadership from individuals with higher neurological empathy markers have a dominant ratio in leadership sectors. In other words sociopathic/psychopathic individuals are provided with a monitoring system based on measured meritocracy to ensure their intellectual skill sets are able to enhance society, not repress it.

    http://bigthink.com/think-tank/a-neurobiologist-on-understanding-psychopaths "Why do we elect psychopaths? Fallon explains: “[We’re] picking and voting for and enjoying the psychopathic traits, because those are the people that you think are the ones who can lead you.” Politicians, of course, are famous for their dishonesty, and so are psychopaths. Fallon calls them “world champ liars—pathological liars.” But we the people are attracted to them, because, as Fallon points out: “They lied for us. They lied to protect us.”

    I appreciate your comment below from a 2014 interview, but when is enough going to be enough and who makes the decision that it is enough? Would it be completely unreasonable to consider opening up global debate aimed at providing citizens the opportunity to weigh in on the science to date?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/life-as-a-nonviolent-psychopath/282271/ "We don't have enough research. You can't just take genetics—even though I'm a big proponent of it—or imaging, and tell if someone's a criminal or a psychopath. If you put together all that information, you could explain a lot of behavior and causality and early abuse—but we don't know enough. "

    The following comment is also intriguing, if in fact true, (although compartmentalization is not hard to recognize, or prove, as being a retarded system for progressive development), which is why I predict that spin-offs from saturated global discussions would actually merge specialists toward finding a workable formula that is all inconclusive, rather than being limited to one sector maintaining the power over consensus decision making.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/may/12/how-to-spot-a-murderers-brain As Raine suggests: "The sociologist would say if we concentrate on these biological things, or even acknowledge them, we are immediately taking our eyes off other causes of criminal behaviour – poverty, bad neighbourhoods, poor nutrition, lack of education and so on. All things that need to change. And that concern is correct. It is why social scientists have fought this science for so long."

    It would also be advantageous if you were able to provide referential/informative links directing us to those in the professional sector that are having conversations re greater public discussion on this diagnostic method, and/or where you may be involved in global conversations.

    Thank you for your research and public awareness contributions. You have most likely been asked the question of "where can I be tested" countless times and provided public feedback, but I have not come across this in my research to date, so do greatly appreciate any assistance you can provide.
     
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  11. equating sociopaths to sinners is a slippery slope

    statistical gambling ehy ? :)

    and hello new peep nice to meet you
     
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  12. Chester

    Chester Member

    Just because I am an odds maker does not mean I am always right.

    But I have been right more than I have been wrong... at least when it comes to sports.

    For example, Denver was the number one defense in the NFL last year. The number one defense has won all but three Super Bowls if they played in the Super Bowl. That's why I bet on the Broncos but I played it safer by taking the 6 points instead of betting the money line that they win outright. I won less but I played it safe. Now some folks thought it wise to bet on Carolina as they had the number one offense. What's the lesson here? Defense, when they have two weeks to prepare and study another team always has the extra advantage.

    Your approach to sociopathy seems to be a mix of both (defense and offense) and leads with offense (identify) but also does play defense (limit our exposure). As an odds maker and having read more of your very consistent posts and having viewed the various reference materials (into two different books at the moment all about this), I am taking the responsibility to say, I agree.

    Of course, unless I eliminate myself as a potential sociopath, the risk in my "helping" is too great... know where I can get an fMRI?
     
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  13. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    We all have both poles. We are all part sociopath and part saint. The proportions vary in each of us, however. Yes, the question is how do we deal with us, all of us? How do we deal with humanity, and the fact that some of us are soulless monsters/destroyers while others are incredible artists/creators? That's the problem I'm trying to address.

    I sure know how to pick 'em, huh. And I can't really take any credit for any of it. It may have all been synchronicity from the get-go, or a manifestation of group consciousness, or the result of an infinite number of changing probabilities. As an odds-maker, you will probably appreciate that last one.
     
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  14. Chester

    Chester Member

    I have an ideal... That almost anyone can change though it may take a profound experience (or series of experiences) for the change to occur.

    Sadly, the odds of this ideal actually happening... happening on a scale that tips the scales is probably all but impossible.


    and...



    so my dilemma is... here is someone who was behaving as a full blown sociopath/psychopath

    "You are a living legend."

    "I am an accomplice"

    "You are a manic depressive."


    I just revealed myself, Chico... I truly believe I have both poles. How do we deal with folks like me if this indeed is the case? And by the way, I never took (or take) "the medication."

    The point is... we may have the 1% and then we may have a portion of either the 10% or even the 80% who are like me. If this is the case... I believe to achieve solution, you must also find a way to identify and somehow "treat" or "limit" folks like me. I truly mean these words. Folks like me are also part of the problem.

    Now I know what I "did" that played a role in my choice (at least I see that i chose) for empathy. And for the life of me, the only thing I think that helps someone like me make the choice I made is by opening to and then being fortunate enough to experience the "anomalous." I say this because it was these very experiences that forced me to shake loose from the limiting and rigid world view I held when I needed far to much "proof" for anything just to open to the possibility there's more to life than simply this 5 sense world and what I had originally concluded to be an objective reality "out there."

    This philosopher goes toe-to-toe with materialist science… so far he’s undefeated
     
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  15. Chester

    Chester Member

    I just actively sought out where I could obtain an fMRI.

    In all of Dallas and Fort Worth, I cannot find anywhere that provides this form of imaging and no one knows if any place even does this. One person I spoke with said that Baylor Hospital (the main one in Dallas) was seeking training and licensing to do this yet I was unable to get that verified.

    Should I be surprised?

    Would this type of testing "be allowed?"

    It is almost like "free energy" or "anti-gravity" patents... "Refused and classified due to National Security risks."
     
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  16. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    I see it as "tough love". Sociopaths have messed up our world, and I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!


    Network - Mad as Hell Scene

    Hmm, I like that. "Who is that masked man?" "The Lone Ranger." "Hi ho, Silver, away!"



    Lone Ranger Opening Theme



    The Lone Ranger Hi Ho Silver Johnny Depp


    You won't get that impression from his public face, which is what you see in the book. You'll have to investigate his private side, listen to the women he has degraded, and seek out the people he has betrayed. Remember, sociopaths portray themselves as saints, but it's a different story behind closed doors. And, I could be wrong. But I have seen some revealing evidence while researching him on the Internet that had me wondering.
     
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  17. Gemma

    Gemma Member

    Thanks for sharing your stories Rose as they are helping me with my own hindsight evaluation of past experiences.

    I had an experience approx. 25 years ago, (not as intense as your unfortunate experience by any means but some of the parallels have been educational for me), when I worked at a corporate headquarters as PA to the new CEO who was an outsider successful in gaining the CEO position over several long term senior executives (incidentally, I too was an outsider that was successful in gaining my position over other long-term employees). There was one exec (I'll call him "Matt") that was given the position of 2IC who could never settle comfortably into the fact that "Barry" had come in and taken the top dog leadership position. As I have always, to the best of my ability, been about transparency and partnership for problem solving and eliminating back-channel, low level destructive gossip/slander, I created a weekly meeting, (the big boys had their weekly meetings so I thought why can't we), for my team of approx. 15 admin staff so they could air their issues, grievances, ineffective systems, how others could help others, etc and we could all think tank proactive solutions. Matt told me that his PA "Julia", (who he hand-picked for himself and was actually the person who believed should have been successful in gaining my position), would be solely working for him, was not to be requested to contribute assistance to anyone else, and would not be attending the group meetings. Matt would also repeatedly enter my office using multiple ways to coerce me into conversations about Barry that at my then young age I could not see had value and instinctively felt were not for honourable intentions, so I would always respond basically with go ask Barry yourself communications. Matt even set up a supposed work meeting with me in his office, early evening when most had gone home, and threatened me by saying things can get extremely uncomfortable for me if I did not comply with his wishes. I was a bit scared but refused his demands.

    I became pissed-off with this "isolated" situation as the duo were repeatedly causing unnecessary stupid, immature playground pompous type bullying conflicts whilst also trying to covertly get other staff members to "join their side". After repeated discussions with Julia about how non-team participation was ineffective along with attempts to develop partnership status with her, I ended up giving her an ultimatum of one month - basically change her destructive behaviour and stay, or make the decision about whether she may like to consider the possibility of resigning first before the month was up. Julia resigned. I had kept Barry in the loop about the stupid admin antics and he was wholly supportive of my decisions, maybe even providing a protective reach that I was unaware of from Matt, but unfortunately I eventually lost my ability to work for awhile due to an illness so eventually had to leave this employment.

    The biggie for me in this self-examination with hindsight evaluation is how I naively believed these people would change in accordance with my ideals on cooperative team work simply because to me this was obvious, so surely if I could see it, they should too. Big Mistake! And of course it doesn't apply only to work environments - the understanding I am gaining from investing time into the psychology of psychopathy is tremendously revealing for relationships in multiple areas - including my own sober assessments of times when I have been tempted to fall into the seduction of "well this must be how the world works" so maybe I should just surrender my obviously weak position and get on board.

    The real-life sharing of stories/experiences couple perfectly to the intensity of awareness I am now applying to my local environment, for example, there are two stand-out Deputy Principals (one I will call Diana) and the Business Manager at our school who are displaying all the traits. This has created a wall of sabotage for our Principal "Susan's" tremendous vision and activism for holistic learning that includes all inclusive community partnerships in educational directives. As I am a new kid on the block who has accepted nominations for the one year term of President of our Community Association I am actively developing a community centre on school grounds in compliance with our Principal's Business Plan. One of our members "Cathy" was recently pulled in behind closed doors by Diana, (at the end of the day on a Friday), and threatened over her behaviour at school as a Parent. Shocked and traumatized Cathy went home and emailed me with her resignation from the community and her notification that she would be changing schools - (our group is made up of volunteers). I quickly arranged a meeting with Cathy to get every detail over the event. I then contacted our Principal and arranged a confidential meeting to discuss the resignation of one of our most active and valuable parent/community members. Our Principal was equally shocked at this turn of events, was not aware that the "false accusations" were going to take place, and immediately wanted to do everything she could to convince Cathy of her value to the school and community.

    Bingo! There was my seque into revealing the exact words used by Diana at the inception of the meeting, (which I had stressed with Cathy was important for her to very accurately recall). "Susan has asked me to have a chat to you about how you are not doing the right thing here now that you are involved in the school and privy to office confidentiality." Need I say more! Diana had craftily shifted the blame to our Principal in her opening dialogue, which was what actually accounted for Cathy's trauma as she is a great supporter of our Principal's visions so was gutted as she believed the condemning had come directly from our Principal. I continued a lengthy discussion with our Principal explaining that I believed I had wrongly assumed that all staff/teachers would welcome support from parents and community members as I naively believed teachers came with an inbuilt ethos of care and that although I was raising serious suspicions, that I hoped I were wrong, I believed Diana and Co were operating from a less than ethical MO. Susan actually then thanked me for my ability to accurately perceive in such a short time what she has had suspicions about from her internal position - (this was great feedback for me as it informs me that my naivety and assessment skills are developing, even though I continually question myself as to whether I am imagining things and being too "conspiratorial").

    What has backfired for Diana is the fact that our Principal is now gaining confirmations for herself from other sources about the wall of deception and control, (which from my investigation has been in place for quite some time as our principal is also a relatively new kid on the block that has inherited the problems). What is beginning to also slowly emerge is a confidence in our community team that is sparking admin, teachers and parents to come to us with revealing conversations not only about their knowledge of the wall, but their silence about it, because of how much they fear repercussions from it. As you are all well aware it is not an easy proposition to remove a government employee without evidence of a serious enough breach. So our future in being able to dismantle this wall of control and deception is very challenging. But it is an imperative as the negative results are very serious obstacles for our school.

    Which is why I am very grateful for the sharing's here and the opportunity to discuss long-term global solutions simultaneously with now-time local solutions along the way, for as they say, everything is as big as it is little.

    I hope it will be okay for me to bring this particular issue up from time to time in our discussions as I highly value all contributors here for their advice and suggestion. To date we are gathering anecdotal and substantiative evidence, which is being documented by our Principal, whilst we ponder further strategies for disabling the blockage.

    Chico : thank you very much for your time and comprehensive responses to me, I must away now as duty calls, but am looking forward to when I can return to continued conversations.
     
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  18. Chester

    Chester Member

    I am only a few dozen pages into Puzzling People but how can it be that Thomas Sheridan might also be a sociopath?
     
  19. Rose

    Rose InPHInet Rose Φ Administrator

    In my opinion, Chico has true empathy for others and bravely accepts being hated for expressing it.
     
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  20. Chester

    Chester Member

    This post is meant all and only to thank the participants in this thread and to thank the thread creator, specifically... Chico.

    Chicodoodoo has messed up my world... better said, my pipe dream world. I almost didn't survive the adjustment but alas, I have. Though I wish what I have now learned was untrue, I would rather know the truth than continue to live an ideal which isn't congruent with the present reality.
     
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  21. Rose

    Rose InPHInet Rose Φ Administrator

    Thank you for causing me to consider this question carefully.

    Reading links posted earlier today, I hope my personal stories are not a distraction and an indication I am a sociopath. This genetic link has me thinking as well. Can males in a family carry the gene and not the females? My Grandmother definitely was not a sociopath, wait a minute, I have just thought of something I must consider. Back to my original response.

    My opinion of the vandalism victim is that he probably was an ethical man. He had just won a a prized promotion for a new postition all superintendents in the agency were vying for. It was the superintendent next door in the corner office who was the obvious sociopath/psychopath. It was he I spoke of earlier, here or in Deception, who was the voice behind the board room behavior in the transcribed FHLB tapes, among numerous other indications. I had no idea he would go that far. My bosses SUV was somehow tampered with that night and wound up halfway through his living room window. My desk was only feet away from both office doors. The woman I spoke of who mentored me into the agency was the sociopaths's administrative assistant who sat in an alcove outside his corner office. I could see inside both offices if the doors were open. When the next day, my boss began showing photos of what had happened, the sociopath's assistant turned white and mouthed, "Oh my God, Jim!! He was snickering. He had the most seniority of any of the others and probably felt he was entitled.
     
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  22. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    As you should be. Question everything and dismiss nothing.

    Here is an observation about Tina Taylor from a self-admitted sociopath:

    The self-admitted sociopath immediately replies:

    Note the sociopath is clearly acting in his own self interest, as always. He doesn't want to be "ferreted out", calling it a "witch hunt". It's only a witch hunt if one is not a witch but is falsely accused of being one. It is not a witch hunt if one is indeed a witch and has been correctly identified as one. This hypocrisy coming from our sociopath is to be expected, due to his psychological condition. So my initial reaction is that Tina is the real deal, and her opponent is looking for any opportunity to denigrate what she is calling for, which is the same thing I am calling for -- testing our leaders for sociopathy.
     
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  23. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    Scary stuff! Here are the links again ( 1 2 ). Yes, sociopaths start out as children too, just like the rest of us. It can be hard to separate normal childish evolution from abnormal sociopathic evolution. There is overlap there. I know from personal experience that as a child, my empathy was much weaker than it is now, and I did experiment with sociopathic behaviors, as they were being extensively modeled for me by the media I was inundated with as apparently normal behavior! Such is the extent of the brainwashing the sociopaths use on the public to mold us in their image. It's insidious.

    I believe this 10-year old girl is indeed a sociopath who needs to be closely monitored. If there were reliable treatments for sociopathy, she would be an excellent candidate to receive them, but we are not there yet, or even close. This is a conundrum. We cannot change sociopaths, and we cannot eliminate sociopathy. What we can do is change society to accommodate these two "facts". That's why I call for universal efforts to clearly identify sociopaths and people with high risk of being sociopathic, and create societal limits concerning what these people are allowed to do in society. We test for poor vision when applying for a driver's license because we understand that people who cannot see well are a public menace to others on the roads. We must also test for sociopathy because we understand that people who cannot feel empathy are a public menace to others when occupying positions of power and control!

    So the solution, at least for the moment, is not to treat sociopaths, but to screen them from holding leadership positions so they cannot lead the majority, the Followers, into slavery and misery. We can't cure a Bill or Hillary Clinton, but we could disqualify them and people like them from holding any important public office! That would be a huge step in transforming our sick society.
     
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  24. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    My comments on the James Fallon interview:

    I saw the initial BBC program on Fallon years ago, and I have used it for a number of posts, so I was delighted to see this interview, which I had never seen. Thank you again, Gemma, for another powerful contribution to this subject.

    James Fallon is a sociopath, no doubt about it in my mind. He's only being called "borderline" because of the questionnaire-type diagnostic tools, which sociopaths like Fallon are clever enough to "influence" or more correctly outright deceive and manipulate. The brain scans, on the other hand, can't be influenced. I heard the psychologists claiming the brain scans are not diagnostic, and I strongly disagree. They are perhaps the best diagnostic tool we have. This is clearly demonstrated by Fallon inadvertently and correctly diagnosing his own sociopathy at a glance by simply observing the brain scan that he learned after the fact was his.

    This interview of Fallon is exceptional, as it is a rare occasion to get a look into a sociopath's mind with much less game-playing and deception from the sociopath than is usual. But there is still game-playing, deception, and manipulation going on, it is just at a lower level, which gives us more clarity into the sociopathic condition. I am reminded of the book "Confessions of a Sociopath" by M.E. Thomas as another example of the same kind of phenomenon, i.e. greater transparency and reduced game-playing, but game-playing nonetheless.

    Note how everything is a game to Fallon. This is a repeated theme in his answers. He even acknowledges that he is playing a game by being interviewed. This perspective is fundamental to the sociopathic condition.

    Another key acknowledgement from Fallon is that there is no point in lying, because manipulating with the truth is so much more successful! This is essentially lying by using the truth! That is what Zook does, which I have called "twist and shout". Sociopaths "twist" the truth to serve their agenda, which is always manipulation of others in order to gain power and control over them. Trump is a master at this and is using it to his great advantage in the political campaign to gain the presidency right now. That's how it's done, folks!

    Another classic indicator of sociopathy is Fallon's statement that he doesn't think anything is wrong with him! There is nothing to treat, and he is happy with the way he is. There is no problem from his perspective, and he cannot see the problem from the perspective of others (a consequence of low empathy). Bill Clinton and Obama would say the same thing.

    It was also incredible to watch the empathetic psychologists get sucked into Fallon's game, to the point that they are nearly claiming he is not a sociopath, that brain scans are not diagnostic, that only their professional opinions are what counts, that they would be happy to have Fallon as a neighbor, etc. The guy will casually break people's legs, for Pete's sake! As long as a good excuse is given (like teaching a bully a lesson), the empathetic people are good with that?! I am astounded to see this usual dynamic between sociopath and non-sociopath still playing out among people who should absolutely know better, like self-admitted sociopaths and trained psychologists! It's like neither party can prevent themselves from falling into that age-old destructive dance. I see this over and over again. Just as sociopaths cannot help but expose themselves by their behaviors, neither can non-sociopaths typically prevent themselves from being pulled into the sociopath's sticky web because of their behaviors!
     
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  25. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    Whoa! I am blown away after reading that long post of mine! I don't even remember writing it, though there is no doubt that it is my work. I was reading it like it was the first time I had ever seen it, and it is indeed powerful stuff. Thank you for posting it, as it is still highly pertinent to the challenge we all face.

    I feel like I just knocked myself out. I'm going to lay here on the floor until my head stops spinning. Now I know how Sam feels after I dissect his explanations for synchronicity. Well done, Gemma!
     
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  26. Gemma

    Gemma Member

    Found this great blog post of yours Chico as I continue trying to bring myself up to speed with this topic. Had to share it here and apologies if it is posted elsewhere - if so, please let me know so I can maybe just provide a link.

    http://my.telegraph.co.uk/chicodoodoo/

    FIAT REALITY

    The system that is in place is a pathological system that is at odds in a very profound way with the being or nature of most people. People of conscience are being ruled by people with no conscience. This fact is the primary injustice and is the basis for the other ills of society.

    (As you read the following partial list of sociopathic traits (more here and here), think of how they apply to Hitler, Mussolini, Bush, Cheney, Blair, Obama, etc.)

    - An obvious trait of sociopaths is the complete lack of conscience. They lack any sense of remorse or empathy with others. They cannot feel the suffering of others.

    - Sociopaths are experts at using talk to charm and hypnotize their prey.

    - Sociopaths are irresponsible. Nothing is ever their fault.

    - Another trait – and a very important one – is their ability to control the flow of information.

    - Sociopaths are incapable of deep emotions.

    - Sociopaths are experts in knowing how to push our buttons, to use our emotions against us.

    Lobaczewski’s contribution is his analysis of the way the different types of psychopathic types work together to form a system where people who are clinically pathological have the positions of power and rule over people who are psychologically normal.

    Early in the book, Lobaczewski describes his experiences in university where he first encountered the phenomenon. He went into the library to get some books on the question of psychopathy and found to his amazement that they had all been removed! This fact demonstrates a self-awareness of their difference amongst at least some of them, and in the case of Poland under communism, of those in a position of power highly enough placed to get books removed from the university library.

    One cannot really designate the issues that confront us today as “political”, using the ordinary names of political ideologies because, as noted above, pathological deviants operate behind a complete mask, by deception and other psychological tricks which they practice with great cunning.

    If, as Lobaczewski suggests, the essential psychopaths recognize each other and are able to work together to achieve common aims for their “para-specific species”, as opposed to our interests, then we even have a mechanism for explaining a control structure that extends back in time, back into the mists when the first psychopaths set up the first pathocracy. All of a sudden, theories which until now have been belittled as “conspiracy theories” can be looked at in a new light, with a new means of explaining how they could exist. This, I think, is a very important area for further research.

    We won’t really know what human nature is until the pathocratic influence is removed and a truly human society, that is, one led by and with values in accordance with our highest nature, our conscience, is able to be founded.

    The psychopath doesn’t lie in the way a normal person lies. Psychopathic lying is not mere deception, it is “creating reality” so that it conforms to the psychopath’s wants.

    Let me try to explain. The psychopathic reality exists by fiat: they declare things to be so and expect others to accept them. To them, these declarations represent what reality should be, or at least what they think others should accept as reality. “If I say it is so, why shouldn’t people believe me?” Just as intelligence is merely an instrument used by the psychopath to fulfill his whims, “facts” are instruments to be used and abused in the same pursuit.

    Experience has shown no matter what we say, no matter what we point out, no matter how much evidence is given, it has no meaning for psychopaths. They have one goal: to fool us into classifying them as normal humans so they can continue to deceive us, control us and use us for their own power and glory because that is what makes them feel good.

    How do you say “no” when the media is completely controlled by other pathocrats? You can take to the streets, as millions of people did before the invasion of Iraq, but that doesn’t matter because the pathocratic political leaders really don’t care what people think. They could care less if there are thousands or millions of people protesting their policies – they have the military and scary weapons at their disposal. The media, then, distorted the message of those who dissented and painted them as traitors. They are still painted as traitors four years on and after it has become plain as day that the war was wrong and that Bush and company lied on every point.

    The majority of people have had their consciences crushed, have accepted so many compromises, that they are incapable of thinking or feeling things correctly. They believe that there are countless numbers of Islamic fundamentalists ready to bomb their homes and schools, no matter how absurd that idea really is, and in spite of the fact that the majority of such bombings are false flag operations. The well established fact that intelligence agencies carry out bombings and then blame their opponents – it is impossible to argue that this type of thing is not regular practice – becomes less believable to people in the United States, the UK, and elsewhere, than the fairy tale that there are hundreds of Islamic fundamentalists ready to blow themselves up in the name of Allah!

    Think back to what Lobaczewski writes about the befuddled thinking that occurs when someone is in the presence of a psychopath. Via the media, that befuddlement spreads beyond immediate personal contact and becomes a plague on society as a whole. Society itself becomes diseased.

    Those individuals who think that change can be effected via legal or political processes fail to understand that both the law and politics, by and large, are created and controlled by pathological types, and are set up for their benefit, not the benefit of the ordinary human being. So it is that law and politics are insufficient avenues for counteracting a pathological society that has been created by the efforts and influence of deviants.

    So, I’ll say it again – and keep saying it – until the knowledge and awareness of pathological human beings is given the attention it deserves and becomes part of the general knowledge of all human beings, there is no way that things can be changed in any way that is effective and long-lasting. That is the first order of business and if half the people agitating for Truth or stopping the war or Bush or whatever would focus their efforts, time and money on exposing psychopathy, we might get somewhere.

    When you are dealing with psychopaths, you are dealing with the criminal mind and when such minds are in positions of absolute power – as they are today – there is nothing to restrain them – and nothing will restrain them, you can take that to the bank.

    We need to learn how to say no to the manipulations. That means we need to learn the ways we are manipulated and refuse to do the dance.

    And so it is that identifying the psychopath, ceasing our interaction with them, cutting them off from our society, making ourselves unavailable to them as “food” or objects to be conned and used, is the single most effective strategy that we can play.
     
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  27. Gemma

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    I would like to contact Fallon with a set of questions re his experience and perception of the current global temperature gauge for the potentiality of assessing community employees via brain scan for empathic ratios, (rather than a series of easily manipulated questionnaires); after all, he has done a global circuit so would be an obvious candidate in my opinion for not only responding but could provide some valuable links. Fallon also provides a workable (psychopaths can successfully contribute to society) case study, (others need to be sourced of course), that could help minimize the censorship fear factor psychopaths wield to keep from being unveiled and transparent. Idealistic for sure, but mission impossible, well, perhaps not, if we don't give up on attempts to keep launching the mission regardless of failures and setbacks along the way.

    My thought process is leaning toward discussions for inception of a massive global movement to bring this into awareness using semi and/or successful global campaign paradigms to date, e.g. The Occupy Movement. The advent of the internet is, in my opinion, our greatest ally for revolution even whilst it is still in its early era struggling with controlling censorship of open-source information, collaboration, and resource sharing.

    What you think? I am optimistic that if all those tremendously intelligent global contributors we have, in all realms of society, could coalesce with one common denominator of understanding about psychopathic disease it would create a tsunami of change not only by completely flipping the scales on the monopoly of current global leadership, but provide them with a platform of collaboration that could launch our global civilization into the innovative co-creative paradise that many of us not only dream is possible, but know is possible from our imaginative excursions.

    Hope I am making sense here - and perhaps it is time for us to be creative and try on new word paradigms for psychopathic disease to help change our conditioned pedestrian mindsets from only visualizing a psychopath as being a serial killer therefore throwing the topic into the too hard basket.
     
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  28. Gemma

    Gemma Member

    Hello everyone, as this is my first thread post campfyre

    In live chat I posed a query re children and psychopathy and provided a link asking Chico if he could look into this for me. Since then I have given myself a crash research psychopathy 101 course which conveniently lead me to topics on whether children can be identified as being psychopathic from their behavioural demonstrations, how to use parental and environmental stimulus to assist with changing behavioural patterns, and the controversy over "labelling" children.

    In addition I gained valuable insight into PET brain scanning and the fairly obvious markers that determine psychopathic disease, which can differ significantly of course as nothing is clearly black and white - no different to various degenerative stages of Alzheimer's, cancer, or any number of diseases from my understanding.

    The greatest leap in my awareness, so far, from applying research into this disease is testimonial from James (Jim) Fallon, the neuroscientist who ironically discovered that his brain scan showed he was afflicted with extensive neurological psychopathic markers and has since made attempts to identify and own, if you like, his psychopathic tendencies and urges, whilst simultaneously making a conscious choice to adjust them in accordance with clinical and behavioural information provided by non-psychopaths i.e. individuals who have a brain scan showing active empathic neurological pathways and who demonstrate empathy, compassion and a desire for honesty and equality. His own family and colleagues being some of his greatest teachers I would imagine.



    So,

    (1) I was not really aware that brain imaging could provide such a high percentage of accuracy for diagnosis

    (2) I was happy to discover that Fallon, through conscious effort, could actually apply resistance to his psychopathic urges which are constantly there - addicts can confirm how difficult this daily effort is for being successful in overriding the built-in biological/psychological programming/triggers, let alone environmental seductions.

    (3) I am very interested now in exploring further, identifying, and potentially clarifying where the communication network/consciousness, which triggers a choice grounded on the wisdom of empathic behaviour, comes from. (Have my own understandings and theories of this related to "energetic heart frequency network" communication overrides but will have to discuss further on as I am trying to keep my posts reasonably short instead of trying to dump all my enthusiasm at one time.)denz2

    (4) The brief research I have completed to date, (which was made easier thanks to Chico's heavily invested application and unfailing determination in bringing awareness to this topic), has inspired me to see that clinical diagnosis of this disease could very seriously be a current game changer that many of us are looking for, even just beginning with the following two stand out reasons:

    1. It is extremely difficult for an empath to understand a psychopath, (no different to a psychopath understanding an empath), let alone applying compassion, not acceptance of behaviours, compassion, for it is my understanding that with a premise of compassion a whole new level of intelligence is able to creatively flow that can be powerfully conducive to problem solving this global dilemma, for example, it is far easier to want to help someone afflicted with a disease, rather than believing they are solely just shitty, evil people that we should simply avoid by ignorantly burying our heads in the sand whilst humming kumbaya and hoping they will just all go away.

    2. Brain scanning community leaders/politicians and workers. Psychological profiling for jobs is already in our society so this hurdle doesn't need to be reached it only has to be built upon, in my opinion. A great topic for discussion that no doubt we will delve deeply into, for example is there a formula for psychopaths to co-exist in some leadership roles, whilst swamped by empathic leaders, so as not to become another misplaced group in society i.e. behavioural meritocracy markers, but in the interim I did a brief search to see who may be pursuing this idea and all I have found so far are several articles really just "wishing" for it and a supposed activist by the name of Tina Taylor highlighted in the following article who apparently also did a petition re testing politicians for psychopathy:

    https://kiasherosjourney.wordpress....s-for-psychopathy-common-sense-or-witch-hunt/

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/545/530/296/lets-stop-voting-for-psychopaths-but-how/

    Which is where I will end as Chico I would greatly appreciate your comments re "Tina Taylor" hmmmm as I'm unsure about this person after having a brief look into her website and Twitter feeds, along with your comments on where we are at with global awareness of psychopathy as a disease, and brain scan testing for community employment - whether it be a teacher or a politician.
     
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  29. Chicodoodoo

    Chicodoodoo Truth-seeker

    Would it be safe to say those three bosses were ethical people? Sociopaths don't get along well with ethical people. When sociopaths resort to violence, it's usually because that's the only way they know how to handle ethical people who won't play their game.
     
  30. Rose

    Rose InPHInet Rose Φ Administrator

    I have been thinking about how to approach this story and if I really want to speak of it. In a nutshell, 3 out of 4 bosses I worked for in 5 1/2 years during this era were victims of varying degrees of violent psychopathic attacks: One I strongly believe to be a murder, an act of vandalism that stopped just short of human injury, and serious injuries resulting from a hit and run vehicular attack on a bicyclist. I know the probable "whys" behind these three attacks, and have general suspicions of the "whos". All perpetrators got away with these acts as nothing could be proven.

    If I personally know this number of such acts witin these agencies. What are the odds? How many more instances may be likely, Sam? .