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I was just making sure you were paying attention! Did you listen to the podcast I also posted earlier, as i did not read any response from you, Chico, that you might have had the chance to give it a serious, open minded listen.

If not, here it is again...

http://www.skeptiko.com/274-bernardo-kastrup-why-our-culture-is-materialistic/

I really hope you can give this a listen as Kastrup explains how consciousness is per-imanent... If you can shoot holes in this, please do as I maintain this view as fundamental and we won't be on shared ground if we cannot start with the same ground (whatever that turns out to be).

 

Bravo! I applaud you for this.

But, in fact, it's not exactly true. The slate is not clean, you did not begin anew, and you are still influenced by previously learned scripts. You made a conscious effort to reduce that influence, and you probably succeeded to some extent, but you are not rebuilding from the ground up. It's important to realize this. It is precisely why the brainwashing inflicted on us from birth is so effective. Changing it is difficult, tedious, and gradual. The work is never completed, because we live in a world run by sociopaths, a world filled with deception and manipulation.

But, you have done a wonderful thing. This is something we all need to do often. I typically call it "question everything". It is vital to regaining more control over your own mind, to being freer in thought, to having better judgment. Our minds and judgment are necessarily crippled when we are brainwashed. And we are brainwashed! There is no escaping it at this point, in this society at this time. There is only reducing it, and that is what we must strive to do.

I can give you an example of how this applies to me. Zook came back to the United People forum yesterday to mount a new attack on me. He read that old blog of mine that Gemma posted here and saw another "golden opportunity" to discredit me. In that blog, I included Hitler in my list of sociopaths, but of late I have argued Hitler was not a sociopath. Zook saw this inconsistency, this "hypocrisy", as his avenue to tarnish Chico's "integrity", and so he mounted his high horse and charged into battle. But the explanation for my reversal on Hitler is precisely this "wiping the slate clean" that you did. I realized that I, like almost everyone else, had been deceived about Hitler. I had been brainwashed, and I went to work uncovering the truth about Hitler that we are never taught. That is what changed my mind. That is what freed my mind -- the truth. Of course, my mind changed only to a small degree, even though the change concerning Hitler was radical, a complete reversal. I still don't know the whole truth about Hitler, and I never will in this world steeped in deception, but I do know I was completely fooled and completely brainwashed about Hitler. He was a sensitive man, a modest war hero, a talented artist, and an unselfish patriot who helped rebuild his nation from the heavy tyranny imposed on it by the ruling sociopaths (mostly Jewish) following World War I. Because he successfully opposed the ruling sociopaths, they ganged up on him to thoroughly crush him and his nation. The Allied leadership were all sociopaths -- Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin. Their common enemy was a non-sociopath who refused to comply, one Adolf Hitler, who they falsely painted as the epitome of evil in order to trick their brainwashed Followers into destroying him. Zook keeps trying the exact same tactic against me. It's what sociopaths do. They can't help it. They are slaves to their psychology, just as we are slaves to ours. And we need to change that. We need to understand our psychologies and rise above them. We need to free our minds.

And the truth will set us free.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Humans already identify and restrict criminals, Sam. Yes, they see the necessity for doing that, and they are able to do it to each other when needed. It is done for the best interests of nearly everyone. Here all we are talking about is testing for sociopathy and disqualifying sociopaths from positions of power and control. No one is calling for murder, punishment, or any penalty really. Go ahead, misidentify me as a sociopath and remove me from positions of power and control. I can still run my one-man business. I can still have a good life. In fact, almost nothing changes for me! The same can be said for most of us, since sociopaths are the ones that dominate the positions of power and control!

Do you really think Bill Clinton or Dick Cheney are going to suffer if they are disqualified from public office?

By the way, everything you think you know about the Nazis is wartime propaganda that has never been corrected, because the people and organizations behind it are still busy brainwashing us. The Holocaust is a lie, and that is the primary charge against Hitler and the Nazis.

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I have no doubt that the bulk of humanity are completely brainwashed and that they will reason just like you do, Sam. That's why the solution I propose is not the problem. Implementing the solution is the problem.

 

Not if that TED talk is any indication. It is very sloppy propaganda, I don't believe hardly any of it, and I am shocked that you would see this as any kind of evidence for anything!

Steven Pinker is giving us the official story that the ruling sociopaths want us to believe. "Life is constantly improving under our wise guidance. Be happy you are blessed with us as your leaders." This is right out of 1984, Sam. Where the heck is your judgment when we need it? I'm hoping you are presenting this as an example of how the sociopathic system plays us so insidiously. You were just testing us, right Sam?

 

Apologies and I see what I do wrong... I was reading that question as if you had thought I meant that they should be. I need a vacation. Wait! I am going on one (the first in a year) in just 9 days... whew.

 

I sure hope no one ever took any of my posts to suggest that what meanings folks take from synchronicities are to then be considered in one's best interests. I have some very dark ones just as much as wonderful ones. I have done everything I can in my posts to emphasize that it is the phenomena itself that is "the elephant in the living room" but also, that has been discounted by Chico and I am unsure of your views regarding the phenomena, Rose.

For me, synchronicity, has played a direct role in my positive consciousness shift because based on my experience with the phenomena, I have enough evidence for myself that there's more to life that the material world... far more. And I have several other types of experiences that have also led me to this operational conclusion (which is a very strong operational assumption for me - it can still be overturned but it would take just as much evidence for an overturn as I have in drawing the conclusion and not just being skeptical about everything until I can explain how something works to my own satisfaction) - but we are all different and to each his own in this regard.

My own personal consciousness shift had nothing to do with any of those same types of things. In my opinion, all this types of things (like "the wave" mentioned by the storyteller) is utter BS and distraction and means by which a few can make a buck and/or get attention. It had everything to do with direct experience. I can only suggest to others what has worked for me and how that worked. It starts with a mind that desires "there be more" and that does not "need the mind" to convince itself. The "wow" factor can do wonders but one first must open to the wow. And no... not woo-woo... direct experience where you find yourself truly saying "wow." Sadly there are folks who never experience the wow and perhaps they are what's actually holding us back. They may not be sociopaths, but the only solutions they consider require behaviors that mimic sociopathic behaviors and if we employ the same mentality that got us here, I see trying as a waste of time.

I see where all this leads to now and I appreciate the crash course on sociopaths. I also now have understandings as to the actions of others which, in light of their circumstances, could at least be viewed that "they did their best under the circumstances and with their limitations of being sensitive, compassionate and empathetic beings." Very much like I now see my own actions (and continued actions) with regards to what I went through with what may in fact be a sociopath after all.

 

Why identifying and restricting sociopaths alone would never work is because human beings would not be able to do that to each other. Why they wouldn't is because everyone remembers the Nazis and how that started. So without a consciousness change, you will most likely end up with a sociopathcide. If that happened, would "you" (the reader of this post) be able to live with that?

Let's say for a moment "you" (the reader of this post) would... what about when you execute someone like this?

see below about -

A true story... The... ... true story of Clyde Thompson. He killed two men when he was 17 years old. The year was 1928 and the place was rural west Texas. He was nearly lynched while awaiting trial and then was sent to death row. Thompson’s killing streak didn’t stop there. Nor did his desire to escape from prison. Prison officials finally gave him The Meanest Man in Texas moniker, and the prison chaplain said he was a man without a soul. Without hope...

Odds are that this man would be one of your sociopaths and odds are that he would not simply be identified and restricted because once the frenzy starts, as Germany 75 years ago proved, it wouldn't stop until the perpetrators of the genocide would be stopped.

And for that reason, Clyde Thompson (would not be able to have) reached out for help. (Where) Then his life started to change.

And then when I had landed in the Lubbock County jail back in February of 1978, Clyde Thompson wouldn't have been around to do as he did for me which had a great and positive impact on my life from that time forward.

http://www.amazon.com/Meanest-Man-Texas-Story-Thompson/dp/0971495807

Without a profound global consciousness shift, identify and restrict would turn into identify and gas.

And this is just my opinion and perhaps I might be wrong, but try and convince enough of the rest of the planet and this is what many will respond with.

 

The consciousness shift has started and the sociopaths will be evolved out of existence.

 

That is way too simplistic, Sam. You need to give this a lot more thought.

 

One result of a consciousness shift would be that folks stop playing "laydowns" to sociopaths and instead listen to themselves and do their own things as long as the behaviors are not behaviors employed by sociopaths. Power cannot be held over those who do not play the games required by that power for that power to exist. In this manner, sociopaths would discover they have lost control. They are then naturally have no choice but to conform to the new non-sociopathic ways.

The role Chico plays in raising awareness can only be helpful. Yet avoiding behavior that emulates sociopathy sets up a new reality experience better than if we behaved like sociopaths to remove sociopaths thus raising the chance an actual new and lasting experience might emerge.

 

It would help to describe the "profound consciousness shift" you are envisioning. If I were to try to explain my perspective in terms of a consciousness shift, it might go like this:

Humans do not share the same quality of consciousness. Just as we all have different appearances and mannerisms, we also have different qualities to our consciousness. I see two groups of humans that differ significantly, sociopaths and non-sociopaths. They primarily vary by their conscious capabilities regarding empathy. It appears neither group can change the quality of their consciousness regarding empathy. Sociopaths are very conscious of this difference between the two groups, whereas non-sociopaths mostly are not. Sociopaths have used this fact to their advantage and prey on the non-sociopaths. Non-sociopaths need a "profound consciousness shift", a recognition of this lop-sided parasite-host dynamic, if they want to be healthy and thrive. The sociopaths, a very small minority, are healthy and thriving, but the non-sociopaths, the vast majority, are being consumed. This is occurring within the same species! It is essentially a snake devouring its own tail and body. It is insane.



So non-sociopaths need to become conscious of their own destruction and find a means to stop it. The sociopaths are not going to change their consciousness, because they are thriving while they destroy humanity. In other words, the head of the snake sees no problem with consuming its body, because it is satisfying its hunger! But the body knows how the story is going to end, with the death of the whole snake. So it is up to the non-sociopaths, the body, to shift their consciousness and recognize the problem, and most importantly, to solve it.

Are we speaking the same language now, Sam? If not, please describe the profound consciousness shift you think is necessary.

 

@Chicodoodoo -

I believe you are doing a great service for us all by raising awareness of the sociopathy problem.

If there are folks like you who have the strength to turn once and for all the tables on sociopathy by whatever methods, my only concern is that one or more measures are the same behaviors we attribute to sociopaths.

It doesn't matter to me if you might be proven right or that my emphasis on a consciousness shift being most important to any real and lasting change is proven right. I can only hope that what is best for ancestors happens.

My exploration of the matter here on inPHInet, posts I have read elsewhere, some books I have been reading have played a role in solidifying the view I had coming into this whole matter and that view hinges upon my firm opinion that a profound consciousness shift must occur for there to be a true shift in the direction of the world.

 

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It seems that you have not been able to read my other posts or if you have you have missed one of the most important elements of those posts.

I also see a lack of understanding of my own words. Perhaps my words are not clear enough but I do my best.

But the most significant understanding I have come to is that Sam and Chico share a different view as to the fundamentals as well as it seems we come at the "problem of sociopathy" from a different direction.

For me it is ok the view Chico has as he has the right to have his view. For me it is also ok that Chico's opinion as to what is fundamental to all is something other than consciousness even though nothing can be perceived without consciousness and thus also nothing can be known if it cannot be experienced and experience cannot happen unless there is consciousness to experience the experience.

It is my opinion that with the difference in opinion as to whether consciousness is or is not fundamental to all makes it impossible for me to participate because my solutions largely (if not fully) depend on this understanding. It would be my guess that this is what understood (or naturally came forth in the collective consciousness after a sociopathy outbreak) on the planet referred to by Alex Collier.

as just one example (David Icke being another) -

Joe Martino Sees a Consciousness Shift… And That’s a Good Thing

 

I can only decide for me... but I decided that this knowing is the truth and the only truth. I also must apply that this is true for everyone but not a single other being needs to agree. For me, it is not just reasonable, it is a known and it is the only knowable thing that can be known.

We do not rely on consciousness heavily. Consciousness is fundamental and intrinsic to all. All reason comes from a POV yet no POV can exist without the fundamental consciousness that is excited by the thoughts that developed one's point of view. This is why consciousness is the only truth once we enter this world of form. Everything else is opinion.

Many wars have been fought over opinion. I have a postulate - Perhaps opinion is the problem even if the opinion points the fingers at others for causing all the woes of Earth today without realizing finger pointing itself may be a behavior adopted from sociopathy. Was it Einstein who said, -

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.

But it is ok if you wish to have a different view. It is ok that anyone wishes to have a different view.

I choose to be and do what I can reconcile with myself and as much as I have tried to generate the justification to declare war on sociopathy (speaking only metaphorically). I cannot get past my own view the world reflects us and that is all of us. If sociopaths take over the world (if they haven't already) then they do. If the consciousness of the "non-sociopaths" does not win out then it doesn't. I can't reconcile applying a sociopathic means alone to solve the problem. If some wish to create some form of sociopathy identification system which enough of the world accepts and is willing to impose on all humanity with no exceptions and that depending on the risk of each individual society imposes restrictions on what the identified is allowed to do and that there is continued testing to determine if folks have changed in any ways which changes their threat level then good for the world! But I am unable to participate in that. What I am happy and willing to do is be tested and be open with all about the results. That's as far as I can go in this regard.

But what I can do and have been doing and in some cases have experienced some very wonderful and positive results is to share my experiences as well as my current operational opinions about them. I am also willing to share all the historical truth about my past along the way. In AA they call this "sharing one's experience, strength and hope." This is what I can do and am willing to do where my heart is behind my actions.

Note - if the sociopaths win then, the nightmare ends for each of us when we move on. Perhaps those of an empathetic soul would not come back to this place. That is the view, hope and desire I have and resides within my current operational world view.

 

Are you saying the almost totally shared metaphysical view that the material world is the only world "out there"? So the biggest thing wrong with humanity is that we live in the world our senses can perceive?

Almost all non-sociopaths delve into that question quite a bit, as well as "who/what are we". Sociopaths don't. Their psychology tells them they are superior, they are here to win the game, and they believe that's all they need to know.

Sam, that is the role religion, an insidious control structure run by sociopaths, has played for the past 2000 years. It is the explanations that close our minds to the possibilities that remain when we say, "I don't know, I can't explain it."

I haven't run across this solution that "many have suggested". Could you please describe the nature of this consciousness shift and how it will correct the domination of the sociopaths?

 

We do, Sam. That's what judgment is for. It is one of the greatest gifts we have. It is what we use to exercise choice. It is what sociopaths wish to remove from us so that we will allow them to make our choices for us.

That's right, a subjective opinion is all we have to work with. That's why it is so important to develop good judgment, so that your subjective opinion is up to the task of making good choices.

We don't need no stinkin' authority! Each of us decides what the best decision is! That liberty to choose and the ability to choose wisely is exactly what the sociopaths wish to take from us. Look how they've done that with presidential elections. We have the illusion of choice. We are always attempting to choose the lesser of two evils. How is that a choice when we always get evil, which is not what we want? But it's exactly what they want!

 

I don't find your reasoning valid, Sam. You already stated previously that everything you know is subjective. If that is true, you cannot assume that what you know is universal. And then to say consciousness is fundamental to all just seems irresponsible. It's almost like saying vision is fundamental to all, simply because we rely on vision so heavily.

Are you sure you aren't operating on some residual programming from some metaphysical shyster?

 

Perhaps it should be noted that if a human being was in full or in part responsible for the circumstances that led my father to his suicide (or perhaps suicided my father) back in 1979, I have precedent that I did not need to face having to forgive this human being. Why I did not need to is that when I learned of this possibility and examined it from the viewpoint (a temporary assumption) that this is a historical truth is because I understood the circumstances where judgment never entered my mind. Only when one judges is one faced with whether to forgive, or not.

Whether the human being was a sociopath or not would not, did not or ever will change my view.

Now let's say I would have gone ahead and judged the human being, I would forgive that human being regardless of whether they could be labeled a psychopath or not. This is just me, it is the way i prefer to be. If everyone adopted my view (from the heart) save for the sociopaths (who can't anyways) and the sociopaths wiped us all out then in my own metaphysical view, I and us all continue (and if I (we) don't... it doesn't matter anyways). I would say the human being "experiment on Earth at this time" has failed. If the only way to deal with this is to identify and restrict sociopaths yet avoid a consciousness shift then I do not give the Earth's future much chance anyways. But this is just my view.

I like Chico's ideas in this regard and I am open minded that a consciousness shift might have a better chance of occurring without all the crap we have to deal with caused by sociopaths but I would never de-emphasize the import of the consciousness shift and for the many like me who are unable to "fight" because to fight doesn't align with our consciousness, all folks like me can do... wait, I will speak just for myself. All I can do is share my own experience as to what shifted my own consciousness such that I am better for my family and loved ones, friends and neighbors, people I pass on the street and those I may never meet.

 

YES! And if you like that better, then incorporate that into your own cosmology! Make that your reality! Feed that what it needs to come to life OR find out something new that causes you to adjust or discard your metaphysical cosmology.

I loved your idea... In a way it actually can fit into mine based on the levels. At one level I choose... at another level I do not feel I chose and yet feel I was tricked... especially if my lifetime is a living hell.

The obvious answer is that would not the All that Is be responsible for all that happens?

This is another of my operational assumptions - that at some level of my being... from Level one on down to a lower level where I may not make a specific choice, I am still responsible (or at least in part) for all my experiences.

But to drill down deeper, the answer depends on which level is answering. It also depends on the operational assumption that at some level of my being "I am responsible for all my experiences." My explanation for this is considers the possibility of two sub levels in level two. One where I would be (I am using words as pointers... to a metaphor) a Free Spirit Being and the other where I would be a captive Spirit Being that inserted me into this form of experience I call Level three.

By starting at Level one... I find it hard for any "Level two / Level three me" to avoid responsibility for any of my experiences in any of those levels. If I place myself in some position that my experience can be determined by some third party, I would see that as a choice made where the consequences that occur I must be responsible for.

 

I am fully on board with much of your suggestions yet I feel that your suggestions are not all we can do and in fact, if we only did what you suggest, the problem would not go away. It would instead manifest again in a new and unsuspected form.

Why am I here (again, my own personal cosmology includes this) I have answered separately to "who am I."

It is subjective and it is my choice to have this view. Anyone else can have any other view they wish.. and I have observed, they do!

 

My current answer as to what is wrong with us is:

a.) The almost totally globally shared metaphysical view that the material world is only "out there."

b.) That few actually delve deeply into the question "who/what am I."

c.) That explanations for the anomalous (like real synchronicity) are required before one might open to the phenomena thus denying one of the benefits of the experience which I have gained which in turn benefited and continues to benefit my family and loved ones, friends, neighbors, those I pass on the street and those I may never meet.

As many have suggested, a consciousness shift may be the best solution to "the sociopath domination."

 

Then we see it differently. I would call it subjective preference.

But beyond this - It should be noted to any interested reader that in my world view there is no objective anything other than what I know (and this knowing assumes that what I know is universal). And that knowing is that consciousness is fundamental to all and if there be any universal (objective) truth, than that is it. I am unsure at this point if I would agree any other 'anything' would be an objective truth.

If someone is interested enough to wonder as to how I would define consciousness, I would be glad to share that definition.

These comments of mine probably means that we would not be able to go very far in this discussion if our foundational view is different (for example, perhaps with Chico based on what I discovered in last conversation, that we differ as to what is foundational) unless someone had a compelling argument to sway me from this foundational view.

Also I should add, there is a difference between a historical truth and what may be a metaphysical truth. No one is arguing 2 nukes were dropped on Japan in 1945. Some would argue that it was a naturally occurring tsunami (and not a nuke) that caused the issues in Japan that began on March 11, 2010.

 

Then we see it differently. I would call it subjective preference.

But beyond this - It should be noted to any interested reader that in my world view there is no objective anything other than what I know (and this knowing assumes that what I know is universal). And that knowing is that consciousness is fundamental to all and if there be any universal (objective) truth, than that is it. I am unsure at this point if I would agree any other anything I would be able to agree would be an objective truth.

If someone is interested enough to wonder as to how I would define consciousness, I would be glad to share that definition.

These comments of mine probably means that we would not be able to go very far in this discussion if our foundational view is different (as I discovered in our last conversation) unless someone had a compelling argument to sway me from this foundational view.

 

Who decides what is more beneficial? Whoever would is coming forth with all and only a subjective opinion. There is no "authority" that can determine what the best decision should be. Perhaps idealistically there is a theoretical best decision but there is no authority that decides what that is... it is always all and only subjective. Now throw in the added "practical" to the "decision" and that makes it even more subjective. Yes, there is an ideal, but no two people will fully always agree in every case as to what that decision would be and there is no known authority (perhaps from beyond) that all sentient beings recognize to be the decider.

I found that by developing my operational assumption, I am able to make decisions based on weighing a decision from the point of view of each of my three levels of being. To detail further, I look at it from all three levels because of the paradoxical and speculative nature of Level one (from the POV of the two individuation levels, two and three) as well as the mid level (Level two) which is purely speculative POV when looking at things from the POV of Level three.

Here's a great example... Jack Dawson's (Leonardo DiCaprio) decision at the end of the Titanic movie not to save himself but instead ensure the best chance for Rose (Kate Winslet) to survive. I can imagine myself being in that position.

The "practical" if viewed solely from his one life would be to save himself or maybe to try and save both even if this creates further risk for Rose.... unless he could not live with himself if he did and he survived and she did not. Yet if he has the operational protocol as I have, he might examine Level two and conclude that sacrificing this one life, based on the circumstances, sets up for a better next life where he and she might meet.

In my case, I have shared the following with Cristina (my wife). "Cristina, if there be future lives, I will always seek you... and will always do so until you tell me not to... and only then will I move on."

That statement comes from considering the possibility I could reincarnate and she could reincarnate and that we do so on the same planet at reasonable the same time and that we are not first cousins or closer in relationship and that each other's gender preference for a mate is satisfied!