World View - and why one's world view is important

Sam Hunter said: ↑
Some say the problem (at least with most of 'western medicine') is that they far more seem to focus on treating the symptoms instead of the causes. Have others found this true?

Chico replied: (here)
Definitely. A cure is not the goal. If you treat symptoms, you simulate a cure but without removing the source of the symptoms. The result is you have a repeat customer (good for business). Everyone that has ever come up with legitimate cures has been shut down. Royal Rife is an example.

You have me on board with regards to stopping the malignancy so to speak. Yet should we also not look at the cause? How can we even agree on a cause if we are worlds apart as to how that cause came about? This is one reason I felt it important to create this thread.

It might be a good idea to debate realism and its sibling, materialism vs idealism.

 

This post is a great response because in it you, Chico, reveal "who you perceive yourself to be" which appears to be, based on your words, that which is just one level of the being I am (that which Sam perceives himself to be as I described in another post somewhere here on inPHInet). This is also the being I choose to perceive you are and the being I choose to perceive all humans to be and the being I choose to perceive all life shares an aspect of. If I am correct in interpreting that you see yourself all and only to be that individuated expression that has manifested in this one life and that is all then... from that perspective, I agree 100% with everything you said other than that you seem to fail to see that being aware of these limits at this level of your being is still awareness. You have it wrong that I am unaware that I (at my egoic level of being... at my current, now moment of individuated waking state consciousness) am unaware that I am unaware of much. That level of my being is actually very aware of this, understands how this can come about in the model of idealism and that I can be content, accepting and appreciative of this fact.

Yet all I hoped to point out (which based on your response demonstrates the same point) is that you are aware (at this egoic level of being) that you, the egoic being, is aware (of both what you are aware of and that there is likely a great deal you are not aware of). You know it. It is fact. You know what the egoic being is aware of and you accept that there is a great deal you are not aware of. Yet just like when you look up into the sky in the middle of the day, you see no stars. If all you ever did was look up at the sky during the day, you might never even believe there are such things as stars in the sky. This obfuscation is the same thing that the egoic mind does to "all that is." But that does not automatically mean that you are some miraculous manifestation of individuated, limited consciousness alone. You can choose to believe this and you have the right to. And you can also discover within you there's "empathy" and honor that empathy, bring it forth, act upon it, etc. And there are many cases of very good folk grounded in materialism YET, it is my very strong opinion that sociopathy is a symptom based on an obvious imbalance towards that which we experience without regard that which is aware of the experience... and that this comes forth from a world view that cannot be reconciled with reason and validity.

The point of pointing out the individual's egoic awareness is to point out that awareness is. That you know that it is. It is not hard then to open the mind that all of this, including you at your material expression of being as well as and more importantly your egoic expression of being can be awareness within Awareness. It cannot be refuted that this is possible. What can be is that consciousness can somehow magically manifest from the dead world of objective materiality.

That we were born into a world grounded in materialism is one thing. That "the ruling sociopaths" do everything they can to solidify this view says everything and I am very surprised this has not been featured or highlighted or mentioned in any of the posts I have read so far associated with the sociopathy problem. Why would they do this? What do they know that they don't want us to know? Why have I not run across these questions in all these posts regarding the problem of sociopathy? I think this is a very big question.

Those (like me) who are grounded in the understanding that consciousness is fundamental to all... who are able to see how individuated expressions of consciousness can and do come forth within the model off idealism without encountering "the hard problem," those who can see that not only are each of us this egoic "I" but also are of that same Big Me (Infinite Awareness, Big Consciousness, the timeless, formless eternal one life and other pointers to what is actually ineffable)... rarely if ever do we find a sociopath who holds this world view as their core world view. In fact, I would be willing to wager none do.

And this is why I feel there needs to be not just an identify and restrict response but also there needs to be the opportunity that humanity of Earth rehabilitates to the point we all discover (and perhaps it may better be said "re-discover") who we really are at all our levels of being which could be described as our "whole being."

One final comment. I do not believe that if someone is a materialist, they must also be a sociopath (even if just a very latent one or a very devious one). In fact, I believe I have encountered some incredibly empathic folks who have chosen to accept or adopt the materialist explanation for reality. Yet I make odds far lower we succeed in experiencing the profound global wide change in humanity if a materialist world view dominates our society as to me, it is clear, sociopathy is a symptom of this very view.

 

You are also unaware. You are unaware that you are unaware. I am nearly certain that you are unaware. You are unaware of nearly everything that falls outside the ability of your five senses to detect, and there's a massive amount of that kind of thing in this world, because our senses are extremely limited. Even some of the things your senses can detect are misinterpreted by you such that your awareness is flawed. And often you are unaware of that.

Can you see how flawed your awareness is, Sam? And you are not even conscious of it. And yet you want to build an entire world view around consciousness, when you aren't even conscious of your unawareness.

My awareness is also flawed, Sam, but I'm aware of it. I'm aware that I'm mostly unaware. I'm conscious that I'm mostly unconscious. What a difference that makes. You are only looking at one side of the coin. Turn it over and try to see what you cannot see.

 

Strange, I just read the quoted post from Sam and I reach the end and I see Chicodoodoo has rated it as "Arrghh".

But I just read the post for the first time and have not rated it!

So I unrated it. At no time time did I rate it in any way. Is the forum software having problems, or is there another Chicodoodoo we need to be aware of?

 

I know that I am aware. I call awareness consciousness. I would not use the word "know" without being certain. It is the only thing I am certain of. Its my opinion that awareness is fundamental. That consciousness is fundamental. I have this opinion based on years of exploration of everything, especially materialism and what I have learned is referred to as idealism. My current world view is best labeled as monistic idealism. For me, based on my experiences which include my specific studies as to "how all this could come about" this is the current best explanation. It also makes the most sense. It is also by far the most parsimonious explanation and most importantly, is not blocked by the "hard problem of consciousness" which no one yet has been able to solve when their world view is based on the view that consciousness (magically) sprang forth from a material reality cosmic accident.

 

Its not a belief for me, Chico but also, its ok that which you wish to believe. I missed no point and I won't suggest what you might be missing other than that you are aware. If you are not aware that you are aware then... I am wondering if you are being honest with yourself.

 

I am surprised at the question. As far as I can tell, just about everyone seems to be aware that they are aware. But I won't speak for others who have not made the statement that they are aware that they are aware. I just speak for myself.

I am aware. I am also aware that I am aware. And I am certain that I am aware. I experience my awareness directly. It is nothing complicated and there's no trick lying in the bushes about my honest statement that I am aware... that I am aware that I am aware and thus I am certain of it as well as I experience this directly and quite clearly in my waking state and also rather clearly at times in my dream state. This awareness is, to me, consciousness.

I no longer have the same view of this "thing" called "the divine feminine" as you may have read in some of my posts of the past. This is because I no longer see something as "divine" where there is the implication there might be something that is not "divine." I hold a deep appreciation for the feminine both as it exists physically as well as the various symbolic associations this has received. I also hold that same appreciation for the masculine in the same way. If anything is divine, its all divine for me. Some "good divine" and certainly some "not so good divine."

Again, as of lately (and who knows, I might change my mind again) - all I am certain of is I am conscious... that consciousness (awareness) is and that when I study how all "this" came about... the only thing that makes any sense is that all has manifested within consciousness (Big Me (You, All Life)).

I would just ask Shezbeth directly. I have had a good relationship with Shezbeth and for a long time. I love him and he knows it. He's always been very kind with me. He's never gamed on me in any malicious way. We have had some really great talks. I have learned from this relationship too and I appreciate Shezbeth greatly. I do not believe Shezbeth is a sociopath at all whatsoever as I have experienced his heart many times. I am also aware of his good nature that I found contrary to the words he uses to express who he might be. He does love game... but there's a true hearted guy underneath and IMO the world is better for him being one of us.

 

When you are certain of what you know, that is the best indicator that you have missed the point.

The belief in certainty is just another belief.

 

Actually, I do not need to rely on anyone else with regards to my knowing that I directly experience. I choose to call the potential for experience as well as the experience of experiencing consciousness. This I know and know with no doubt. Perhaps I and a few others are the only ones here on Earth at this time who know this. It is also all I state with certainty that I know.

 

You don't see the validity of a deceiver / manipulator saying "You think you do (know), but you do not."? Since the better deceivers lie with the truth, they create the deception by withholding critical information and assembling the "cherry-picked" truths that they do use to create the misleading impression they want to deliver. So it is typically correct for the deceiver to tell the victim exactly what the Merovingian said. That is the plan, after all, to deceive the victim in exactly that manner.

 

The Merovingian in the Matrix were not "good guys," were certainly capable liars and perhaps may fail the sociopathy free test, yes? and so why would a quote of there's be placed here as if it were valid?

My post above was confusing so I redid it to make it clearer as to what quote or paraphrase was attributed to who.

 

I think the only thing we can really know is that we don't know.

"You think you do (know), but you do not." -- The Merovingian in The Matrix Reloaded

Yes and no. We are also capable of experiencing things indirectly through the descriptions of others. Also, things we experience directly can be illusory (hallucinations, optical illusions, false memories, etc.). It is quite complicated.

Also, I don't recall Morpheus saying anything like this. Where did you get this from?

 

Sam writes: Just before I depart, I must share this quote by B. Kastrup:

Sam writes: The best starting point (IMO) is to ask and answer the question, what can we know?

The following is paraphrased of something stated by C. G. Jung

Sam writes: All we can know is what we experience directly.

The following two quotes are from Morpheus:

and

 

Good point. Things are much more complex than we realize. We think we know how cells and genes work, when in reality, we don't know squat. Everything is vibration, yet the biology model I was taught in college 40 years ago had no conception of vibration.

Tesla was working with vibrations. Stanley Meyer's dune buggy that ran on water used resonance (vibrations) to split water molecules apart easily. Would it be so strange for life processes to also be steeped in vibration?

I especially liked the comparison of the cell parts to computer parts at the end of the article:

Earlier Lipton had criticized prior theories for becoming too attached to the model used in understanding what was being studied. And here we are again already using an existing model (the computer) to understand new and probably very different cellular processes. In other words, we can't stop ourselves from simplifying complex processes into something we can grasp. When all we know is a hammer, everything resembles a nail.

 

Although this sounds like a reasonable statement at first glance, it may not be. What if there is something else more fundamental that significantly impacts your construction of a world view?

It is my opinion that your psychology significantly determines your world view. For example, the world view of a sociopath tends to be that everything is just a game to be won. The game consists primarily of controlling others by deception and manipulation to get whatever the sociopath wants, which is often even more power and control.

Now we must ask is there something even more fundamental behind psychology that significantly influences your psychology and in turn impacts your world view? Yes, there is. Your genetic makeup is quite important. That strongly influences the chemical functioning of your biological system. Your environment is also important. Epigenetics suggests there is a constant interplay between our genes controlling our chemical symphony and the outside environment. Developmentally, this may be of a critical nature during our formative years from before birth to physical maturity.

Will debating the merits of various world views change your world view, or are we each predisposed to gravitate towards a world view that meshes with our psychology, genetics, and environment? Do we have free will to casually choose our world view, or even partial freedom? Or is our programming the decisive factor, meaning our genes, psychology, and environment?

Are the complexities of the entire subject of "world view", or personal perspective, beyond the very limited capabilities of the human mind? If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, isn't world view also?

I suspect the direction you are heading in, Sam, is to argue that if we want to change the world, we must first change ourselves. By changing our world view, we change the way we perceive the world, and this in turn changes the world. "Be the change you wish to see in the world." Even though this is my personal world view, I can't help but see that there are forces that oppose this philosophy, that work against it, and that want a much different world than you or I do. To use an analogy, the 1% are able to control the 99%, even though the world view of the 99% is quite different from the world view of the 1%. You can change the world view of the 99% all you want, but if the control the 1% have over them is not broken, nothing will change. It will not change because the 99% are already operating under cognitive dissonance, as they would be even if you changed their world view. In other words, the 99% don't behave according to their current world view as it is, so changing that world view accomplishes nothing.

 

This is the first thread I have started on inPHInet.net.

I am no scholar. No professional writer or philosopher. I am not affiliated in any way with any group other than my family and loved ones and as far as I know, as a group, we don't have an agenda other than we all hope for a better life experience for all. Why I created this thread is because it is my strong opinion that the world view held by each individual plays the single most significant role in the continued development of the world we experience. For this reason I hope we can discuss various world views, explore their validity and examine each for the impact they have upon the world as it unfolds.

In addition it is my hope that the discussions in this thread would not be used to denigrate or label others who may wish to contribute or who may read the thread as a silent member or a non member. On the one hand, I understand the importance of free speech. On the other hand, I ask contributors to use some basic court awareness with regards to their words which could impact other potential contributors to the discussion. I also ask that folks who contribute here understand (and I say this for myself more than anyone else) how the energies we project through our words can raise or reduce the quality of the discussion as well as readership.

I ask that if the thread veers to far from its central theme that gentle reminders to bring it back to the thread's intention be tolerated if needed.

world view or worldview (from Wikipedia here) -

point of view (philosophy) (from Wikipedia here) -

I do have a goal and feel it is wise to state this goal in the spirit of transparency. Having mentioned above that it is my strong opinion "worldview" is fundamental to what comes forth in our shared experience, I hope that the thread might reveal what may be the wisest world views and what might be the most dangerous.

Whatever predominant world views exist today, I imagine most agree the current life experience of most on Earth at this time is far from what we desire and what some of us believe it could be. For most life on Earth is a prison. We can point the finger at the prison guards, wardens and owners all we want but will this ever resolve the problem? What if the prison actually resides within a larger and all encompassing structure... one that not only includes all us inmates, but also houses the guards, wardens and owners as well?

Welcome to Insane Asylum Earth.

How did we get so insane? This writer is convinced it all comes forth first and foremost from each and every individual's worldview. From there we find ourselves groupifying. And from there we end up with what we have now - World View Warfare.

I wish to throw off the chains of the prison. Yet if I don't find then spring the lock, those chains may change in appearance, but their impact will ever remain.